What classes are considered cheesy?

[Userunfriendly]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: I remember somebody once had a party of 6 Sorcerers... I can only imagine what the Boss Battles were like in ToB. After all the Time Stops finishes... all that will be left will be smouldering piles of ashes while they high-five each other. For SoA, a team of 2 Sorcerers would be interesting. Perhaps the PC and Kelsey together... ...

once had pc sorceror, kelsey and tashia...

urm...discovered/invented sequential sunfires of doom on that run thru...

poor adolon...she was the guinea pig on my first try...

[Userunfriendly]

oh yeah...here is a fighter kit to mage dual that is NOT cheesy...

wiz slayer-> mage....

a little illogical, maybe, but the restrictions from using magic devices makes it quite interesting, and funny...

[Pirengle]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: 2) Cheese is anything that gives the enemy almost no chance of victory. This includes, but is not limited to: ... anything from the Rebalanced Shapeshifter MOD, ... These spells and tactics are cheesy, and generally not to be used in any situation except extremely overpowered MOD battles. In a situation like that, all bets are off--if they can be cheap, so bloody well can you.

It's true that the Greater Werebears that clerics and druids can summon fall under the Rebalanced Shapeshifter mod. However, the PC and party aren't the only ones who can summon the bears. I remember a fight with the Kelsey mod when his quest stuff was kicking in, and an evil cleric summoned bears. I installed the Rebalanced Shapeshifter mod, and those things were SO much fun. I had to use a Time Stop to get rid of the little punks. But I can see how they're cheesy when they're on the player's side.

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Pirengle: I remember a fight with the Kelsey mod when his quest stuff was kicking in, and an evil cleric summoned [Greater Were]bears. I installed the Rebalanced Shapeshifter mod, and those things were SO much fun.

I question the ordering of those two sentences. Did you mean to say that the Cleric summoned GWBs because you had installed Rebalanced Shapeshifter? I hope so. (In Weimer's defense, I should note that not all aspects of Rebalanced Shapeshifter are cheesy--I see nothing wrong with allowing Druids to cast Glyph of Warding.)

[Pirengle]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: I question the ordering of those two sentences. Did you mean to say that the Cleric summoned GWBs because you had installed Rebalanced Shapeshifter? I hope so.

Have you ever played the Kelsey mod? To be as non-spoilerish as possible, there's a place where an evil (well, working for somebody evil) casts Conjure Animals. Without Rebalanced Shapeshifter installed, they're weenies. With Rebalanced Shapeshifter installed, they're GWBs. (The Kelsey battles are a step above the unmodded BG2 battle and a step below Tactics mod. Nice, challenging, and you don't have to resort to cheese to beat 'em.)

(Would've posted this yesterday, but the forums wouldn't let me post for some reason.)

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Pirengle: ....there's a place where an evil (well, working for somebody evil) casts Conjure Animals. Without Rebalanced Shapeshifter installed, they're weenies. With Rebalanced Shapeshifter installed, they're GWBs.

Yes, I have played Kelsey, and fought that battle (2 or 3 times, I think). That's what I thought you meant in your post above, I just wanted to be sure. [img]smile.gif[/img]