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Dude, techniques like that are not either cheese or cheating!
They are masterfully designed tactics which are not exploiting any bugs in the game or editing files. It is possible to roleplay with using these tactics.
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Who says Contingency shouldn't be used in battle? If that was the truth they could make it like the
ToB Ability Spoiler ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pocket Plane ability which can't be used in battle.
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BTW: just finished the Temple sewers (not Unseeying Eye) with my 11th lvl solo conjurer. Those muggers had to chase me all the way through the sewers and I skull trapped, webbed/spiderspawned, sunfired, MM'ed my ass off, and it *still* took three tries to get it right. The second time I slayed all of them but was poisoned by a (suddenly appeared?) green slime. What a way to make a living. [ 10-09-2002, 04:54 AM: Message edited by: Zuvio ]
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With that said, though, the line of what is and what is not "cheesy" about Wizard spells becomes very blurry. One cannot tell for certain exactly what BioWare had in mind when they implemented those spells; That they intended Wizards to be able to gain a huge boost to their spellcasting power through Project Image goes without saying, but did they really intend players to be able to have FOUR active Project Images running simultaneously, each equipped with the gear of the actual character? I don't think so. So, sure, it's a perfectly legitimate use of the spell system, but when an army of DemonKnights doesn't stand a chance against you, you really have to stop and ask yourself if it's really fair. As I said, the line where the cheese begins is very blurry indeed. Quote:
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So, if using contingencies in battle isn't cheese, then what is it? Sure, you CAN use it in battle, but does that mean that Bioware wanted it to be used like that? Maybe, but i doubt it, else why make the game so you can only cast one spell per round?
I guess different people define cheese differently. [ 10-09-2002, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: White Lancer ]
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A misunderstanding I see. It was not clear in the previous post that you were not comparing us to the Trappers( or the... CKers... ...).
Your mention of learning tactics on your own reminded me that I learned the Mislead Exploit, Melf's Minute Meteors' Exploit, RATI/PRATI Tactic, and several other miscellanous spell tactics on my own. [img]smile.gif[/img] I hestitate to claim that I am the first to think of these tactics, as I do not have concrete evidence. However, I was under the impression that Zuvio wanted to know everything, and not just the basic tenets of spellcasting, which led me to point him to the spell guide( a very good one too, I must say), especially since he is soloing. Heh, heh... but I am wary of sharing some of my tactics now too. I am not sure how to explain it, but sometimes a guy got to have some secrets too. [ 10-09-2002, 10:53 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ] |
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IMHO, BioWare overrated spellcasters veery much. Project Image spell is the key.
ToB spoiler . . . . . . . . . . . . . Now hitting the drow enclave I experience no problem at all (hit XP cap in SoA) Dundee's PRAI tactics grew to my own SPRAIP/S tactics, which stands for Staff of the Magi, Project Image, Robe of Vecna, Amulet of Power, Improved Alacrity, Planetar/Sceleton Warrior. Whenever I encounter an enemy I go invis, PI, IA, then just summon all the Planetars and Sceleton Warriors I have available, then either provide support (ADHWs) or kill the PI with its own Flame Arrows. So, after a 1/2 of a round I have an unbeatable army of Planetars supported by Sceleton Warriors. No enemy stood a chance against all them. I understand that its a cheese (PI ignores summon limit) but no cheating at all. And guys at BioWare definitely knew what they were bringing into life by devising that PI. Along with all these I roleplay. And I learn new tactics every battle I go through. Still didn't bother to use CC in advanced way, but its near future for me. What I am trying to say is that solo spellcasters, by the end of even SoA, are nearly godlike in power. Without cheats. And its a pity that BioWare didn't care for gaming balance - fighters have almost no chance.
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Tassadar, are you soloing a mage or a sorcerer?
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