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12-01-2001, 03:07 PM
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Fzoul Chembryl
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quote: No, I read your post after I posted and didn't see fit to include you at the time  However, should you feel that you should be included, I can re-edit my post! [img]smile.gif[/img] My point is that the last few post were mostly articulate but very childish in content. People got hurt for not agreeing with each other and that's not good... not in my books anyway 
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12-01-2001, 03:08 PM
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Very Mad Bird
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quote: ??? Ryanamur, I'm discussing opinions on a world event, not making personal attacks or getting upset. Rather than debate the points I raised against Dramnek, Barry chose to repeat the opinion knowing full well it's a sensitive issue. I'm sure prince whateverhisname from Saudi Arabia is well aware of the offensive nature of such opinions. It amazes me that some posters can be so unable to bring solid facts to bear in a debate, they have to use personal attacks to make any point whatsoever. Water off a ducks back I'm afraid. [img]smile.gif[/img] Have a good day all. [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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12-01-2001, 03:18 PM
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Fzoul Chembryl
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quote: No, no, Ryan, I'm just fine where I am! Thanks for the clarification....
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12-01-2001, 03:20 PM
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Fzoul Chembryl
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quote: Yes, Yorick you did attack someone. Wether that someone started it or not is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. Yes, it's a sensitive issue. I don't have problems with facts or opinions on facts. However, when we start attacking each other (claiming ignorance or whatever) then we have a problem! We went down this route a couple of months ago and almost lost the forum. It came back recently and I wouldn't be surprised if we actually lost the forum this time. Quite frankly, I'd rather loose this forum than loose people I like to exchange ideas with (and yes, that includes you) [img]smile.gif[/img]
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12-01-2001, 03:36 PM
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Fzoul Chembryl
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quote: Yorick, please be aware that YOU are making personal attacks here. Attack the post, not the person, yes? Here are some exerpts from your posts to Barry and Dramnek. 'You do not know what you are talking about'. 'I cannot see how you fail to see this logic'. 'You decided to post on something... you obviously know very little about' 'Failure to understand is ignorance' 'Why do you neither see your conflicting opinions on Bin Laden or on matters of cause and effect' Yorick, you wonder why people take offence at your manner of posting. It is because your posts frequently come across as arrogant, aggressive as hell, patronising, sure that YOU and you only are RIGHT, claiming the moral high ground for your own point of view, and demeaning the intelligence of others. Own your actions, dude. We all think we are right, Yorick. Otherwise we wouldn't bother to post here. I don't like some of the pro-war stuff I read on this forum. Although much of it is reasoned and intellligent, and contains some very good points, (e.g. Ron_B, Nachrafe) there are other posts which frankly, I find offensive and ill-informed. That doesn't mean I can come out and start telling people that they are stupid, ignorant and don't know what they are talking about, which is what you are doing here. I see you've used your usual strategy here, - ie. make personal attacks, and then turn round and accuse others of attacking you! It sucks, to be frank.
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12-01-2001, 03:37 PM
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Very Mad Bird
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quote: You didn't think this worthy of comment Ryanamur? You're not playing favourites are you mate? How did I insult Barry? By saying he didn't know what he was talking about? How is this an insult? I'm saying he's uninformed, not an idiot. I think he's a smart guy, just blasting away at the wrong target at the wrong time due to misinformation. He keeps postig about how there's no evidence, or little evidence linking Al Qa'eda to the attack. He has repeatedly skirted around dealing with Wahabism at all, yet it is central to the issue. This is not the first time I've pulled him up on this. I fail to see the insult factor in this. Is that not what the forum is for? Discussion, exchange of ideas? I like Barry. I think he's wrong. End of story. Cheetah on the other hand is repeatedly posting antagonistic open sarcastic disdain of a very personal nature. Calling into question aspects of my personality, motives and negative effects on my intended country of residence. Again, in my last post I suggested she may not be up to speed on current affairs, as she'd seemingly missed the enourmous political, financial and military clout, not to mention sheer population size (larger than the U.S.A.) that the European Union possesses. It was not sarcastic, yet accused of being so. As I posted in her mothers thread, sarcasm is where the intended meaning is the opposite of the literal meaning. I could have added how if Islam had an historical enemy it would be Europe. Wars were fought in Spain, France, Austria and the Balkans. In North Africa and the middle east, by English, Germans, French and Italians against their Islamist counterparts. Europeans have humiliated the citizens of every other continent in their conquest, greed and expansionism. America and Australia would not exist were it not for the "evils" of Europe.  When she blanketly criticises America, she should be criticising Western civilisation itself, the very civilisation that has enabled her to access the information and ideas she seems so willing to spread on her computer - an Icon of the Wests information revolution. Singling out a single country neither wins friends nor furthers causes. It merely creates international misunderstanding and disharmony. Shutting ears instead of opening them. Instead of gaining a potential ally or refine her ideas, she insists on seeking to cut me and others down and write off everything I say using anger and derision. |
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12-01-2001, 03:49 PM
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Very Mad Bird
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quote: These are all central to discussing ideas. There is no shame in holding less information than the next person. Were someone to say the same things to me I would not be insulted, but either do some research or accept that I perhaps do not have the information I thought I did. People are different. I value correction and new information, and do not see insult in having contradictions in an argument pointed out. Such is a debate. I never called him stupid. Ignorance and stupidity are two different things. I am ignorant of many things I have not experienced, nor investigated. This is not a failing. No-one can know everything. What a person does with their knowledge and experience is what's important. |
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12-01-2001, 03:57 PM
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Fzoul Chembryl
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quote: Hehe, now you know how the rest of us feel when our comments are noticed, and yours somehow slip by without comment..... [img]smile.gif[/img] Doesn't feel that good, does it? Yorick, you've made the Europe point many times, and I have agreed with you every single time. I do not hold America responsible for all the world's ills. As I have said countless times before, the reason America gets singled out HERE is because this is a war forum called America Strikes Back and it was set up to discuss AMERICA'S NEW WAR. It is inevitable that when discussing cause and effect, the part America has played in the past, both in the Middle East and the rest of the world will come up. I myself have made numerous points regarding European colonisation of the rest of the world, and the highly negative and destructive effects that colonisation has had on the regions affected. You've made these points before, I have responded with pretty much this answer before. I do not cut off everything that anyone who disagrees with me says with anger and derision. I manage to have good relations with many on this forum who hold very opposite views to myself. (MagiK, Sir Kenyth, Mangess, Nachtrafe, to take just a few examples.) Out of everyone posting in this forum, I have the most difficulty with you, for all the reasons I put in my previous post. Yes, I am using sarcasm towards you. More now than ever before. The reason? Because I see you have not changed your style in the least since Memnoch posted his thread. You seem to be saying it is ok for you to be aggresive in defending your point of view, because you are right. As I have said, we all think that. Why are you somehow excempt from the rules of behaviour that bind the rest of us, because you feel strongly? We all feel strongly! As there is no double standard operating on this forum, it seems to me that if it is fine for you to use sarcasm and rudeness, then I can use sarcasm to you, Yorick. My use of it above was to make that very point. What goes around, comes around...
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12-01-2001, 04:04 PM
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Fzoul Chembryl
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quote: Yorick, you don't know what you are talking about.
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12-01-2001, 04:07 PM
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Very Mad Bird
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quote: See this is where we differ. You see me demeaning intelligence, where I am citing lack of information. As I said above. Very different. As for believing I am right, doesn't anyone with a strong opinion? The same could be said of you, your Mum, Ryamnamur or Barry. Anyone. What's the problem there? Who was it who didn't like tepid water? As far as agression goes, I seemingly write strongly if that is the reception. So be it. I'm the same in verbal discussion, but with a gentler tone, and a eyesmile. I speak how I write. I'm hardly about to change who I am because some person on the internet derides me. I like me. I like who I am. Is that a crime? Self esteem is not arrogance. I am aware of my failings. Painfully aware. However I accept what I can't change and change what I can. No use fawning around full of self loathing and self depreciation. You're the one that preaches self love aren't you? I repeat, I debate the ideas. I'm not without a patience limit, and yes get frustrated, but it's only ever with the ideas and arguments raised, not with the persons personality. As I've said, you have been attacking who I am. I'm not turning anything around, just calling it as I see it. Again, have a nice day Mandy [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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