No more nasty, personal-attack sarcasm in posts, please - respect others - Page 4

Fljotsdale · 11-30-2001, 11:32 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Memnoch:
F, I think you have to accept that both of you fell out over religion - Yorick did, at least. No fault of either of you - it's a very divisive topic to explore in depth, even if done in person. That's why I never talk about religion or politics in depth - because I don't know how the other person is reacting to what I'm saying.

I think it would be best if both of you dropped the religion debate. You must both be sick of repeating yourselves by now. Surely you know each others' point of view to the most minute detail and know that no amount of futile debate will cause each of you to change your minds. All you will both do is get on the carousel once again.

Mem, my post was in reply to a question of Ladyzekke's. I was not trying to raise the issue again, merely replying to her question.
As for falling out with Yorick over religion... no, that was not so, at least not on my part. It was an entire other issue, which doesn't need airing here! [img]smile.gif[/img]

In my last post to Yorick in this thread I was only responding to a comment of his, and there was no animosity or any attempt to lock horns - any more than there was on Yoricks part.
I'm PMing you.

Memnoch · 11-30-2001, 12:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fljotsdale:

Mem, my post was in reply to a question of Ladyzekke's. I was not trying to raise the issue again, merely replying to her question.
As for falling out with Yorick over religion... no, that was not so, at least not on my part. It was an entire other issue, which doesn't need airing here! [img]smile.gif[/img]

In my last post to Yorick in this thread I was only responding to a comment of his, and there was no animosity or any attempt to lock horns - any more than there was on Yoricks part.
I'm PMing you.

I've replied. [img]smile.gif[/img] You've misunderstood my point. I don't care who was responsible for the falling out. That's all ancient history now. I am trying to avoid Yorick posting on this thread to reply to you, as he inevitably will - and you replying to him - and so on and so on. Neither of you can seem to forego the last word to each other, is all I'm saying. Don't take that as an insult as it isn't meant to be. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yorick · 11-30-2001, 12:09 PM

Fljotsdale, you have to remember you were arguing points about things you do not believe. For you a mere exploration in literary analysis, rather than things you experience day to day.

As such the beliefs and experiences that sustain and enrich your life were not continually called into question.

As much as I asked, you never in fact posted a "grand unified theory", merely contenting yourself with attempting to pull mine (and others) down.

Considering we can only ever prove we exist as a concious entity it's always going to be easier to poke holes in someones "truth".

This "truth" of mine is the source of so much healing and reason for living. Continually having to defend that - verbally or in writing - can end up quite annoying to say the least. Faith has it's own ebbs and flows. Like love in a relationship.

How annoying would it be for someone to be continually telling you your spouse was a rat fink for example? The relationship is complex enough without the third party grinding away.

The majority of humans who believe the bible to be the inspired word of God, do have an experience of Jesus Christ - Y'shua - as being God himself. Confirmed not only in the written word but in day to day situations.

As you do not have that second frame of reference from which to draw on and analyse, you will never see eye to eye with a believer such as myself.

Hence the futility of further circular discourse.

Memnoch · 11-30-2001, 12:20 PM

See what I mean, F? I wasn't having a go at you, I was trying to stop you guys from repeating yourselves all over again. You can still do it, you're not flaming each other after all - but I thought you BOTH might have been tired of this by now. It was just a suggestion!

Now let's all be nice to each other!!

Fljotsdale · 11-30-2001, 12:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
Fljotsdale, you have to remember you were arguing points about things you do not believe. For you a mere exploration in literary analysis, rather than things you experience day to day.

As such the beliefs and experiences that sustain and enrich your life were not continually called into question.

As much as I asked, you never in fact posted a "grand unified theory", merely contenting yourself with attempting to pull mine (and others) down.

Considering we can only ever prove we exist as a concious entity it's always going to be easier to poke holes in someones "truth".

This "truth" of mine is the source of so much healing and reason for living. Continually having to defend that - verbally or in writing - can end up quite annoying to say the least. Faith has it's own ebbs and flows. Like love in a relationship.

How annoying would it be for someone to be continually telling you your spouse was a rat fink for example? The relationship is complex enough without the third party grinding away.

The majority of humans who believe the bible to be the inspired word of God, do have an experience of Jesus Christ - Y'shua - as being God himself. Confirmed not only in the written word but in day to day situations.

As you do not have that second frame of reference from which to draw on and analyse, you will never see eye to eye with a believer such as myself.

Hence the futility of further circular discourse.

LOL! MY spouse WAS a rat fink!

Just one point - I WAS a believer, so I know where you are coming from and I understood on a personal level as one who has experienced it, every single one of your arguments. I was not blind, as you assume, in the spiritual eyes. I can see/have seen both ways.

Now lets do what Memnoch said and drop it, ok? [img]smile.gif[/img]

If you wanna add to this, that's fine, but I shall be Miss Goody-Two-Shoes and keep stum! No matter HOW much I might want to respond, lol!

Yorick · 11-30-2001, 12:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Memnoch:
See what I mean, F? I wasn't having a go at you, I was trying to stop you guys from repeating yourselves all over again. You can still do it, you're not flaming each other after all - but I thought you BOTH might have been tired of this by now. It was just a suggestion!

Now let's all be nice to each other!!

[img]smile.gif[/img] Sorry dorry [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yorick · 11-30-2001, 01:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fljotsdale:
Just one point - I WAS a believer, so I know where you are coming from and I understood on a personal level as one who has experienced it, every single one of your arguments. I was not blind, as you assume, in the spiritual eyes. I can see/have seen both ways.

Mem, I'll abstain in two tics o.k? This is actually new ground.

Fljotsdale, much as you like to say it, you have never held my ideology, so you can't know where I am coming from. Proclaiming knowledge of it highlights this fact. The difference between your old ones and my current ones are as different as yours and mine are now.

Silver Cheetah · 11-30-2001, 01:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
[QB]
Mem, I'll abstain in two tics o.k? This is actually new ground.

QB]

Hehe...

How's the beer our there in Last Word Saloon?

Sir Kenyth · 11-30-2001, 05:38 PM

Well, the way I see it!

*Ducks thrown tomato*

There are entirely too many thin-skins who like to complain to the teacher when another kid sticks their tongue out at them.

I FULLY understand that the mods don't want to muck through a bunch of G.S.W. (Gripe, Snivel, Whine) mail every day! They shouldn't have to. The only thing they should need to get involved with is the obscene, the illegal, and board vandals. I personally think it's too late to save this particular board. The tight regulation it requires is going to squeeze the very life from it. If people are already dogging the mods with complaints of someone being sarcastic, and sarcasm is going to be frowned upon, I hear the death rattle coming.
Killed by drowning in a deluge of complaints.

Ronn_Bman · 11-30-2001, 05:53 PM

True, but unless talk of the anything related to September 11th is completely banned from IWs, these things will just happen in GD. These are important current events that both sides want to talk about. Personally, I think it's better to keep them separate.*crosses fingers*

I'd also point out that the topic isn't what is being argued, it's our treatment of one another. I've seen instances today of rudeness in GD (not related to the situation here at all) where a member asked another "why are you even posting here".

11-30-2001, 11:32 AM	#31
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	quote: Originally posted by Memnoch: F, I think you have to accept that both of you fell out over religion - Yorick did, at least. No fault of either of you - it's a very divisive topic to explore in depth, even if done in person. That's why I never talk about religion or politics in depth - because I don't know how the other person is reacting to what I'm saying. I think it would be best if both of you dropped the religion debate. You must both be sick of repeating yourselves by now. Surely you know each others' point of view to the most minute detail and know that no amount of futile debate will cause each of you to change your minds. All you will both do is get on the carousel once again. Mem, my post was in reply to a question of Ladyzekke's. I was not trying to raise the issue again, merely replying to her question. As for falling out with Yorick over religion... no, that was not so, at least not on my part. It was an entire other issue, which doesn't need airing here! [img]smile.gif[/img] In my last post to Yorick in this thread I was only responding to a comment of his, and there was no animosity or any attempt to lock horns - any more than there was on Yoricks part. I'm PMing you. __________________ I\'m your imaginary friend.

11-30-2001, 12:06 PM	#32
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	quote: Originally posted by Fljotsdale: Mem, my post was in reply to a question of Ladyzekke's. I was not trying to raise the issue again, merely replying to her question. As for falling out with Yorick over religion... no, that was not so, at least not on my part. It was an entire other issue, which doesn't need airing here! [img]smile.gif[/img] In my last post to Yorick in this thread I was only responding to a comment of his, and there was no animosity or any attempt to lock horns - any more than there was on Yoricks part. I'm PMing you. I've replied. [img]smile.gif[/img] You've misunderstood my point. I don't care who was responsible for the falling out. That's all ancient history now. I am trying to avoid Yorick posting on this thread to reply to you, as he inevitably will - and you replying to him - and so on and so on. Neither of you can seem to forego the last word to each other, is all I'm saying. Don't take that as an insult as it isn't meant to be. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________

11-30-2001, 12:09 PM	#33
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	Fljotsdale, you have to remember you were arguing points about things you do not believe. For you a mere exploration in literary analysis, rather than things you experience day to day. As such the beliefs and experiences that sustain and enrich your life were not continually called into question. As much as I asked, you never in fact posted a "grand unified theory", merely contenting yourself with attempting to pull mine (and others) down. Considering we can only ever prove we exist as a concious entity it's always going to be easier to poke holes in someones "truth". This "truth" of mine is the source of so much healing and reason for living. Continually having to defend that - verbally or in writing - can end up quite annoying to say the least. Faith has it's own ebbs and flows. Like love in a relationship. How annoying would it be for someone to be continually telling you your spouse was a rat fink for example? The relationship is complex enough without the third party grinding away. The majority of humans who believe the bible to be the inspired word of God, do have an experience of Jesus Christ - Y'shua - as being God himself. Confirmed not only in the written word but in day to day situations. As you do not have that second frame of reference from which to draw on and analyse, you will never see eye to eye with a believer such as myself. Hence the futility of further circular discourse. __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

11-30-2001, 12:20 PM	#34
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	See what I mean, F? I wasn't having a go at you, I was trying to stop you guys from repeating yourselves all over again. You can still do it, you're not flaming each other after all - but I thought you BOTH might have been tired of this by now. It was just a suggestion! Now let's all be nice to each other!! __________________

11-30-2001, 12:54 PM	#35
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Fljotsdale, you have to remember you were arguing points about things you do not believe. For you a mere exploration in literary analysis, rather than things you experience day to day. As such the beliefs and experiences that sustain and enrich your life were not continually called into question. As much as I asked, you never in fact posted a "grand unified theory", merely contenting yourself with attempting to pull mine (and others) down. Considering we can only ever prove we exist as a concious entity it's always going to be easier to poke holes in someones "truth". This "truth" of mine is the source of so much healing and reason for living. Continually having to defend that - verbally or in writing - can end up quite annoying to say the least. Faith has it's own ebbs and flows. Like love in a relationship. How annoying would it be for someone to be continually telling you your spouse was a rat fink for example? The relationship is complex enough without the third party grinding away. The majority of humans who believe the bible to be the inspired word of God, do have an experience of Jesus Christ - Y'shua - as being God himself. Confirmed not only in the written word but in day to day situations. As you do not have that second frame of reference from which to draw on and analyse, you will never see eye to eye with a believer such as myself. Hence the futility of further circular discourse. LOL! MY spouse WAS a rat fink! Just one point - I WAS a believer, so I know where you are coming from and I understood on a personal level as one who has experienced it, every single one of your arguments. I was not blind, as you assume, in the spiritual eyes. I can see/have seen both ways. Now lets do what Memnoch said and drop it, ok? [img]smile.gif[/img] If you wanna add to this, that's fine, but I shall be Miss Goody-Two-Shoes and keep stum! No matter HOW much I might want to respond, lol! __________________ I\'m your imaginary friend.

11-30-2001, 12:54 PM	#36
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by Memnoch: See what I mean, F? I wasn't having a go at you, I was trying to stop you guys from repeating yourselves all over again. You can still do it, you're not flaming each other after all - but I thought you BOTH might have been tired of this by now. It was just a suggestion! Now let's all be nice to each other!! [img]smile.gif[/img] Sorry dorry [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

11-30-2001, 01:03 PM	#37
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by Fljotsdale: Just one point - I WAS a believer, so I know where you are coming from and I understood on a personal level as one who has experienced it, every single one of your arguments. I was not blind, as you assume, in the spiritual eyes. I can see/have seen both ways. Mem, I'll abstain in two tics o.k? This is actually new ground. Fljotsdale, much as you like to say it, you have never held my ideology, so you can't know where I am coming from. Proclaiming knowledge of it highlights this fact. The difference between your old ones and my current ones are as different as yours and mine are now. __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

11-30-2001, 01:41 PM	#38
Silver Cheetah Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 1,781	quote: Originally posted by Yorick: [QB] Mem, I'll abstain in two tics o.k? This is actually new ground. QB] Hehe... How's the beer our there in Last Word Saloon? __________________

11-30-2001, 05:38 PM	#39
Sir Kenyth Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: somewhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,785	Well, the way I see it! Ducks thrown tomato There are entirely too many thin-skins who like to complain to the teacher when another kid sticks their tongue out at them. I FULLY understand that the mods don't want to muck through a bunch of G.S.W. (Gripe, Snivel, Whine) mail every day! They shouldn't have to. The only thing they should need to get involved with is the obscene, the illegal, and board vandals. I personally think it's too late to save this particular board. The tight regulation it requires is going to squeeze the very life from it. If people are already dogging the mods with complaints of someone being sarcastic, and sarcasm is going to be frowned upon, I hear the death rattle coming. Killed by drowning in a deluge of complaints. __________________ Master Barbsman and wielder of the razor wit!<br /><br />There are dark angels among us. They present themselves in shining raiment but there is, in their hearts, the blackness of the abyss.

11-30-2001, 05:53 PM	#40
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 58 Posts: 5,177	True, but unless talk of the anything related to September 11th is completely banned from IWs, these things will just happen in GD. These are important current events that both sides want to talk about. Personally, I think it's better to keep them separate.crosses fingers I'd also point out that the topic isn't what is being argued, it's our treatment of one another. I've seen instances today of rudeness in GD (not related to the situation here at all) where a member asked another "why are you even posting here". __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

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