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Old 04-13-2003, 12:23 PM   #21
Timber Loftis
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Originally posted by Yorick:
You are all talking about a nation and people that conquered and oppressed dozens of nationalities for centuries. Why are the Turks even in Istanbul? Or should I say Byzantium. What happened to the Greeks there and in Ionia? What happened to the Gauls of Galatia in central Turkey? What about the Armenians they slaughtered? It's a nation with an extreme amount of crap on it's hands.
Every nation does. The european colonists persued a wipe-em-out policy against native Americans. We Brits marched all over the world, including Australia, and put down the indigenous populations to serve our own needs. Every nation on earth of any importance has made its mark by invading, relocating, conquering and suppressing.[/QUOTE]Well, generally I agree. Yorick, I think the worst way to address these problems now is by looking at the "blame" side of the history. The best we can do is view the history honestly and say "X group does not like Y group" so we don't draw post-war political boundaries putting X and Y in the same little country. But to say "X did this BadThing(tm) and Y did that BadThing(tm) and Z was involved yadda yadd flur snur yakkity" is counterproductive. In a place whose known history of war is as... erm, colorful... as the ancient Greek and Roman empires and their fallout states, there is certainly enough blame to go around with worrying about (turns on best Michael Palin voice) "who killed who."

This is not to say I shouldn't have asked about the Turk/Kurd problem's history. I am interested: is it a historical problem or just modern-day reasonable fears of losing a large chunk of your national population and/or property?

[ 04-13-2003, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]
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