I saw President Clinton tonight!

[Alexander]

"His place in history" will be the president with the highest exit approval ratings in recent history - higher than Reagan's.

Whether you like it or not, the vast majority of Americans liked - and probably like even more now - Clinton's politics, even if they disapproved of his sexual habits.

He was and continues to be a very popular and well-liked man, a fact which irritates the Republicans to no end - they bashed the poor man like they bashed FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt 50 years ago.

I would've loved to have met Clinton, because, no matter what you think of him, he is an extremely intelligent man.

For every negative thing someone dredges up about Clinton (I thought his presidency was over?), I could easily go back and find ten scandals, mishaps, or what-have-you that took place during the Bush and Reagan years. Let's just quit this pissing contest and agree that meeting a popular former president is quite an experience.

[Alexander]

clinton is the ultimate political whore.he would do anything to stay in power.

What are you smoking, and where can I get some?

That's the whole nature of politics - to stay in power. I could easily substitute "Clinton" for "Bush" or "Reagan" or any other Republican politician, because every politician does what he/she can to stay in power. People like Carter, who didn't, are instantly branded a failure and laughed out of office (although I personally love Carter to death and wish we had more politicians like him).

[Alexander]

Originally posted by khazadman: quote: I would say Clinton was one of the best presidents ever! He boosted US economy, negotiated peace and diplomatic ties were strengthened all over the world.. and the polls reflected that!

clinton had nothing to do with the great economy of the nineties.it was just a continuation of the eighties economic recovery.
he negotiated peace?yeah he tried,but as usual,he failed.and of course his search for peace never got in the way of attempts to distract the people from his political and legal troubles.ask the people who lived around that sudanese aspirin factory.
and his popularity reflected how the dems allies in the press were successful in lying about what this man was really doing.
clinton is the ultimate political whore.he would do anything to stay in power.
but at least he will have his place in history:the most corrupt administration in american history[/QUOTE]You know what's really amusing? I could easily replace the name "Clinton" with "Reagan", and most of what you are saying would be true.

Neither Clinton nor Reagan were saints, however Reagan promised to "balance the budget in 4 years", which he did not do in 8 years, and Clinton balanced it almost immediately after he came into office, so for the sake of my wallet, I prefer Clinton.

[skywalker]

Originally posted by Alexander: "His place in history" will be the president with the highest exit approval ratings in recent history - higher than Reagan's. Whether you like it or not, the vast majority of Americans liked - and probably like even more now - Clinton's politics, even if they disapproved of his sexual habits. He was and continues to be a very popular and well-liked man, a fact which irritates the Republicans to no end - they bashed the poor man like they bashed FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt 50 years ago. I would've loved to have met Clinton, because, no matter what you think of him, he is an extremely intelligent man. For every negative thing someone dredges up about Clinton (I thought his presidency was over?), I could easily go back and find ten scandals, mishaps, or what-have-you that took place during the Bush and Reagan years. Let's just quit this pissing contest and agree that meeting a popular former president is quite an experience.

Very well said!

Mark

[khazadman]

ok alexander,show me one time when a republican,hell,another democrat,president sold out his own countries security in exchange for the money he needed to stay in power.the lives of tens of millions are now at risk because of him.in his last year in office he allowed chinese military officers access to sensitive military installations over the objections of pentagon.dozens of officers resigned their commissions rather than be a party to this.did you see reagan or carter allowing the soviets in?
and what makes this worse is the fact that the press knew this was going on but never reported on it.

[Neb]

Originally posted by khazadman: clinton had nothing to do with the great economy of the nineties.it was just a continuation of the eighties economic recovery.

Don't try to fix what isn't broken [img]tongue.gif[/img] Even though he might not have created the good conditions he didn't wreck them either, that's something. Knowing when things are working fine and then leaving them alone is something of a skill.

[khazadman]

Even though he might not have created the good conditions he didn't wreck them either, that's something. Knowing when things are working fine and then leaving them alone is something of a skill.

he didn't change them because the republicans gained control of both houses of congress.they got spending under control and refused to increase taxes.look at the tax increases he got in when the dems controled congress.add that to their uncontroled spending and the economy would have gone south in a bad way.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by khazadman: ok alexander,show me one time when a republican,hell,another democrat,president sold out his own countries security in exchange for the money he needed to stay in power.the lives of tens of millions are now at risk because of him.in his last year in office he allowed chinese military officers access to sensitive military installations over the objections of pentagon.dozens of officers resigned their commissions rather than be a party to this.did you see reagan or carter allowing the soviets in? and what makes this worse is the fact that the press knew this was going on but never reported on it.

*cough* *cough* IRAN-CONTRA *cough *cough* WATERGATE

To pretend that the Republicans are all saints and the Democrats are all sinners is totally ludicrous, and you obviously live in a fantasy world if you think that.

By the way, I'd like to see the proof you've undoubtedly obtained to back up your statements.

[ 04-30-2002, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: Alexander ]

[Alexander]

Originally posted by khazadman: he didn't change them because the republicans gained control of both houses of congress.they got spending under control and refused to increase taxes.look at the tax increases he got in when the dems controled congress.add that to their uncontroled spending and the economy would have gone south in a bad way.

Yeah - he raised taxes - and balanced the budget - something the Republicans never did. Is there something wrong with that?

Just face the facts, he was and still is very popular, and history will treat him a lot better than you.

[ 04-30-2002, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: Alexander ]

[Sir Michael]

I should have forseen that an innocent post like this would start a political debate...

From Conan:

The "former" president must be raking in the bucks with his motivational speechs...glad to see he's still for hire

Yes, he did make a lot of money from the speech, but all of it was donated by the Greenspun family (a very rich newspaper family here in Vegas). Tickets were free for UNLV faculty, students and their friends. He had a lot of important stuff to say...I would like to think that if I was that experienced I would be worth a lot of money too.

And he did point out that he was spending over half of his time in public service, with all of the foundations, organizations, and charitable causes he is involved in, and he expects that to increase to all of his time within the next five years.

BTW, once a sitting President leaves office, he retains his title, and is referred to as "President So-and-so" for the rest of his life (although not "Mr. President," I think). The "former" part is optional and depends on the circumstance.