Oblivion E3 demo leaked

Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: quote: Originally posted by SecretMaster: quote: Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: They need to get with the times and take a leaf from Blizzards' book IMHO.

I don't know what you mean by that. But pray that BioWare never becomes anything like Blizzard. And I truly mean that. [/QUOTE]I think Blizzard are great personally. Compared to SOE, Cryptic and Bioware IMHO they actually listen to what players want, at least attempt to acknowledge or fix bugs when they come up. That and the fact that they have multiple reacord-breaking sellers in the game industry has to count for something.[/QB][/QUOTE]Hahahaha. I'm sorry but Blizzard is a mess. They may listen, but they do little. And you really can't get good arguements over the s**tstorm that is the Battle.net Forums. If you want my view on Blizzard (and it is just one aspect)
http://www.warcraftcentral.com/resou...e=res_articles

But yeah, I have a mouthful to say about them.

[SpiritWarrior]

I don't get it. Bioware do the same stuff that Blizzard is being accused of and alot more IMHO. Yes, that includes the crappy t-shirts and the rehashed versions of NWN's to make an extra buck (they just do it over and over is what the problem is). The page you link to praises Blizzard but talks of being dissapointed that WoW wasn't what WC1-3 was (although for me it is the most finely polished and well managed MMO I've played to date).

I guess they mean historical immersion and real RP experience? Okay I can understand that and while I agree WoW is RPG 'lite' so are almost all MMO's and this one has more in it than most. For the hardcore RP experiences these days one has to look to offline games (such as Oblivion above) since alot of what is in single player cannot work in a multiplayer environment.

Maybe I missed the point? From my experience they do listen and act on the needs of the player, making changes accordingly.

[ 10-06-2005, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: SpiritWarrior ]

Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: I don't get it. Bioware do the same stuff that Blizzard is being accused of and alot more IMHO. Yes, that includes the crappy tea-shirts and the rehashed versions of NWN's to make an extra buck (they just do it over and over is what the problem is). The page you link to praises Blizzard but talks of being dissapointed that WoW wasn't what WC1-3 was (although for me it is the most finely polished and well managed MMO I've played to date). I guess they mean historical immersion and real RP experience? Okay I can understand that and while I agree WoW is RPG 'lite' so are almost all MMO's and this one has more in it than most. For the hardcore RP experiences these days one has to look to offline games (such as Oblivion above) since alot of what is in single player cannot work in a multiplayer environment. Maybe I missed the point? From my experience they do listen and act on the needs of the player, making changes accordingly.

No what I'm saying is that Blizzard has gone completely overboard. They've beaten the horse dead now for quite sometime. I wasn't talking about how WoW was a dissapointment compared to the other WC titles. To me, WoW is crap. Its fun to play, but it is quite pointless. And Blizzard continues to disappoint me, and their fanbase. I'm sick of Warcraft. I love the world that Christ Metzen created (mostly all of the lore was Chris Metzen) but Blizzard took it too far.

People will call WoW a success. They always will. But it is severely lacking IMHO. And while other MMO's may be the same, I'd be happier if Blizzard took MMO's in a new direction. The least they could do to regain some of their old honor. What I want from Blizzard, what I truly want is a new title. Something new and fresh. No more Starcraft, Diablo, and for the love of pete no more Warcraft.

Bethesda has always been remarkable. They are the shining star in the gaming industry. They aren't dicked around by publishers and chairmen forcing a release date. They do things their way and always have, always will. Blizzard is a slave to Vivendi. Many of the poor decisions were made by Vivendi, because what they say goes. But I also feel that Blizzard, as a gaming developer, doesn't do their part.

And BioWare doesn't even compete in the marketing area when it comes to NWN. It will never. BioWare doesn't have the fame of Blizzard (although I think it should), especially now that Blizzard is a major contestant in the gaming universe. They over merchandise like crazy and take things too far. And I really don't think Blizzard listens to their audience that much. I've been following WoW since it was first announced (back in 2001/2002). There have been many complaints with Blizzard. And their timing for releasing things.... WCIII TFT was an absolute nightmare. Lets leave it at that. They really pissed off everyone.

[SpiritWarrior]

Ok, I see what you are saying now at least. And I don't intend to argue blindly like a fanboi or anything since you have followed Blizzard from the start and I have not. I respect your experiences with them.

All I can say is as far as my MMO experiences they actually implemented the current 'trends' right. Did they do anything that hasn't already been done? No, not really. But I guess I am simply thankful that they did what others have tried to do (MMO-wise) correctly. Such is the way of the MMO world atm, games half-finished and promised content not coming that you are tahnkful when someone throws you the bone you should have already had from the start.

I agree that someone now needs to raise the bar further. Big time. It just seems there's alot of unwarranted pressure on Blizzard to do this. I feel they have done alot already is all. Bethesda are great, yes but I'd point out that they too don't compete in the same marketing area as WoW does. But I do understand being frustrated at a company especially when you follow them through and buy their products from day one; I feel that way about Bioware, lol.

Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: Ok, I see what you are saying now at least. And I don't intend to argue blindly like a fanboi or anything since you have followed Blizzard from the start and I have not. I respect your experiences with them. All I can say is as far as my MMO experiences they actually implemented the current 'trends' right. Did they do anything that hasn't already been done? No, not really. But I guess I am simply thankful that they did what others have tried to do (MMO-wise) correctly. Such is the way of the MMO world atm, games half-finished and promised content not coming that you are tahnkful when someone throws you the bone you should have already had from the start. I agree that someone now needs to raise the bar further. Big time. It just seems there's alot of unwarranted pressure on Blizzard to do this. I feel they have done alot already is all. Bethesda are great, yes but I'd point out that they too don't compete in the same marketing area as WoW does. But I do understand being frustrated at a company especially when you follow them through and buy their products from day one; I feel that way about Bioware, lol.

Agreed. Blizzard was successful with making WoW very user friendly. Everything about it was executed smoothly, but aside from all of that fluff I don't like it. And I would never hope that Bethesda goes "online". They do a fantastic job creating games that feel "alive". They create what is literally, a self contained MMO in itself. And I love them dearly for that. I really can't say much about BioWare. I never really followed it, but I bought most of their games because they are the classic Roleplaying style.

[Stratos]

I doubt the an Elder Scrolls game would work as a MMO. The freedom the player has in these games would most likely be destroyed by powergamers and the "l33t d00d"-crowd.

[Stratos]

Interresting; ES IV: Oblivion will feature voice performance by Patrick Stewart, Sean Bean and Terence Stamp. Linky here.

Yeah I read that. We also have Lynda Carter aka Wonderwomen voicing for the Nords.

Have any of you noticed that Sean Bean likes to play traitors (Boromir, that dude in Goldeneye) and such. So maybe the heir will betray you or something like that, put a nice spin on the game.

[Stratos]

A question for you ES lore wizzes; weren't Emperor Uriel Septims sons put there by Jagar Tharn?

Originally posted by Stratos: A question for you ES lore wizzes; weren't Emperor Uriel Septims sons put there by Jagar Tharn?

Many of the sons of Uriel Septim are indeed dopplegangers put in by Jagar Tharn yes. But there is one true heir and that is the one you must find. But he is presumably in hiding and so we can only speculate as to why he is hiding. There is much mystery and speculation, nothing definite until we get the game.