Ranger no backstab - me confused

[Dundee Slaytern]

Oh no, Quarterstaffs are most certainly usable for backstabs.

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The only one that is in question, is the Staff of Magi.

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: "Backwhacking," as it's called, is perfectly legal, by using Clubs and Staves. If it wasn't, Cleric/Thieves would really be screwed. The (apparently debatable) fact that you cannot Backwhack with the Staff of the Magi is an anomaly of that particular Staff--a logical reason for this is that BioWare didn't want people to use the "hit, unequip, & re-equip" trick to get infinite free Backwhacks. [EDIT:] Aaaaargh, beaten by less than a minute!

Ha! I got beaten in the BG1 Forum, but this is my turf! Just kidding. [img]smile.gif[/img] Anyway... Fighter/Thief/Mages can use the Mislead Exploit and Greater Whirlwind to REALLY ensure the target does not survive the backstab, or skip the GW and just go on a backstabbing spree for two minutes.

[Alson]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: I have heard conflicting reports about this. If Jim or Alson is reading this, maybe they can conduct a quick experiment to find out the answer.

One of them is.

No, you can not backstab with the Staff of the Magi.
I was 99% sure about this, but i just tested it, in order to (hopefully) end the confusion once and for all.
The weapon is "unsuitable".
The reason for this is that in order to Backstab, you need a weapon useable by a single classed thief ((AB)Use Any Item aside, of course).
The SotM is NOT useable by thieves - but other Quarterstaves, such as the Staff of Striking or, *grin*, the Staff of Ram +6, are, so you can indeed backstab with them. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 10-31-2002, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Alson ]

[DJG]

Deathbringer Assault?

What is that? Sounds cool!

[Alson]

The Deathbringer Assault is a special, Sarevok-only feature.

With each successful hit, Sarevok has about 3% of doing additional 200 Piercing damage. You'll also see a big explosion effect on the target. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Jim]

Here I am at long last! Alson's correct, SoTM cannot be used by single classed mages and therefore cannot be used to backwhack.

It's gotta be a weapon that can "stab," not "bonk."

Where I come from, bonk means something else. I'm getting a bit worried if a weapon is used for bonking .

[ 10-31-2002, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]

[Alson]

Originally posted by Jim: Here I am at long last! Alson's correct, SoTM cannot be used by single classed mages and therefore cannot be used to backwhack.

Actually, the SotM can be used by single classed Mages. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Single classed thieves are a different story...

quote: It's gotta be a weapon that can "stab," not "bonk."

Where I come from, bonk means something else. I'm getting a bit worried if a weapon is used for bonking .[/QUOTE]ROFL!
It's dangerous times we're living in...

[Jim]

DOH!!! I meant single classed thieves!

It would be a fairly lame weapon if single classed mages couldn't use it!

I can see the description now:

"the quintessential mage item (not useable by mages)...."

[DJG]

What the hell happened to the "Backstab with only Short Sword and Dagger" rule????

Or did I just make that up?

[Sythe]

Well when I played BG1 as a thief and tried backstabbin with a longsword or somethin else didn't do backstab but with a dagger and shortsword they did uh huh I am sure cause its PIERCING how can Slashing be backstabbing? (Or I can be tottly wrong bout this but I am sure I not.