Armed Police Shoot Man Dead on Underground

[Attalus]

*Pats Felix on the back* Well said.

[Zink Whistlefly]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Zink Whistlefly: I'm not so sure that he got what he deserved at this point. Reports are coming in that this guy was unarmed and "crying with fear" before he was gunned down. I still feel that restraining him, then unloading 5 bullets into him is a little excessive without knowing more information about this first! Sure, he's Asian, was running away from armed police in a subway so close to the terrorist attacks and was wearing a coat, does that make him a terrorist? I think not. There could be lots of viable reasons why he was running from them - sure it was a very stupid thing to do, but we'd best hope that this was not an innocent man and the police made the right call. If the police have shot an killed an innocent asian guy, we can expect serious reprisals.

Since we are in the GD forum, and not the CE forum I'll try to be nice.
Go read the lives of the London Bombers from the last attack, in the CE forum. Then rethink what you claim about your post above. And remember, the hatred for the crown is deeper then that of the red, white and blue!

On a side note, if you would have been in charge back in the day, we would not celebrate our war of independence, it would have been handed to us on a silver and gold platter! [/QUOTE]Please don't come on here and lecture me Felix. You may have you own strong beliefs about all of this, but that does not make your opinions correct and mine completely wrong.

From the BBC website:

Police have said it is not yet clear if he was one of four bombing suspects shown on newly released CCTV footage.

A shoot to kill policy is already worrying Muslim leaders, and one member of the council has already stated "There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear."

Can you not see the potential race-related damage that killing someone who might not be connected to the London bombings will cause? I completely understand the difficulty of the situation for the police in that they had to make a snap decision and I am not saying that they made the wrong call - I am simply worried about the potential repercussions that could arise from this if this man was innocent.

[ 07-22-2005, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: Zink Whistlefly ]

[Aragorn1]

I think if you guys want to continue discussing it CE would be a better place than GD. Perhaps a new thread should be started there?

[Chewbacca]

So did the guy have a bomb or a weapon or not? This detail seems missing from the various articles I have reveiwed.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: So did the guy have a bomb or a weapon or not? This detail seems missing from the various articles I have reveiwed.

Part of a report has said that 'an eyewitness' "he appeared to be wearing a bomb belt, with wires coming out" (15 seconds of fame?). This would very well explain the actions of the police. In any type of Urban Operation where innocent people are subject to harm, the SOP is pretty standard. Cover, Smother, and unload until the perp stops moving. Cover as in drop him to the ground, smother him with as many armor protected bodies as available, and unload 'shoot' until 'his' movement stops.

Then again, he could have been an innocent person who doesn't speak the language, dressed what he thought was appropriate for the occassion, and wore a money belt with the strings open to view. Did not understand the police, and could not figure out the hand gestures. Decided to use the subway after exiting a building that has been under police surveilance for the last few days, the whole while being followed by said undercover police. WOW. What a coincedence.

[Chewbacca]

Funny, I read a whole slew of eyewitness accounts. I don't recall anyone claiming wires or such were visible. Anyhow, the offical word is all I care about.

Killing the unarmed is what the terrorist's do. it is what we guard against and what we condemn. Even accidential killing cannot be excused lightly. Respect for life and due process is part of what makes us civilized.

Now, if it turns out the guy was armed then he got what he deserved. That's war- kill, and die.

[Lanesra]

Originally posted by Zink Whistlefly: Please don't come on here and lecture me Felix. You may have you own strong beliefs about all of this, but that does not make your opinions correct and mine completely wrong.

I'm afraid that if you hang around here long enough you'll have to get used to people thinking they know better than those of us who live here.


And they are NEVER, EVER wrong!

[Felix The Assassin]

Oops!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...ube/index.html

[shamrock_uk]

Indeed! Different article here including a graphic showing the sequence of events.

Given he vaulted a ticket barrier to escape police and get onto the train then refused to stop again I'd say they were justified nontheless.

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: Indeed! Different article here including a graphic showing the sequence of events. Given he vaulted a ticket barrier to escape police and get onto the train then refused to stop again I'd say they were justified nontheless.

According to the info I have heard on the radio (yes, I'm a talk radio listener) the Brazilian man:
Lived in the same building as other Muslim militants being watched.
He wore an oversized coat, much like the ones suicide bombers in Isreal wear.
He didn't stop when police told him to.
He ran toward the trains filled with people.
He was shot 7 times in the head and 1 time in the shoulder.
According to BBC he had an expired VISA so he was an illegal immigrant. (which explains why he was running)

[ 07-26-2005, 09:45 AM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]