Bin Laden Sympathizer?

[Fljotsdale]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Do you realize you say the same thing in every post? It's our fault. In every post you make you say the same thing over and over and over, even when it's has nothing to do with the subject of the posting? It makes me wonder who you're trying to convince, everyone else or yourself?

I think it's more a case of overcompensating for all the 'America is the Greatest' stuff that gets posted over and over by some people, Ronn_Bman. It is very irritating and VERY difficult not to react to adversely.

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[Ryanamur]

Originally posted by Fljotsdale: I think it's more a case of overcompensating for all the 'America is the Greatest' stuff that gets posted over and over by some people, Ronn_Bman. It is very irritating and VERY difficult not to react to adversely.

No, I don't think it gets over posted Fljotsdale. Every body is entitled to their opinion and to state it as often as they like to. Remember, if you know it's there and you know you won't like it, just don't read it... because if you do, you've got only one person to blame: yourself

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[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Fljotsdale: I think it's more a case of overcompensating for all the 'America is the Greatest' stuff that gets posted over and over by some people, Ronn_Bman. It is very irritating and VERY difficult not to react to adversely.

Maybe, but none of that had been posted here or had anything to do with the question of the thread. I actually said let's leave America and it's actions and policies out of this.

To lead off with those statements everytime is every bit as inflammatory as "America Is The Greatest so we can do what we want'.

BTW, I got your email, and that is a very interesting life story.


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"The Martyr" (excerpt)

There is sobbing of the strong,
And a pall upon the land;
But the People in their weeping
Bare the iron hand:
Beware the People weeping
When they bare the iron hand.

--Herman Melville (written after the assasination of President Abraham Lincoln)

[Fljotsdale]

Originally posted by Ryanamur: No, I don't think it gets over posted Fljotsdale. Every body is entitled to their opinion and to state it as often as they like to. Remember, if you know it's there and you know you won't like it, just don't read it... because if you do, you've got only one person to blame: yourself

Good advice, Ryanamur, but difficult to follow! The threads I am interested in are full of it, and sometimes, frankly, I want to punch some people in the mouth and scream "Shut UP! I'm sick of you guys spouting that you are the greatest."
You see, by saying America is the greatest you automatically rubbish every other nation on the face of earth. I know that is not the INTENTION and I am sure it never occurs to you how it affects those outside America - you are just being belligerently patriotic because you feel vulnerable (with justification!).
But it is sometimes not easy for the rest of us to make allowances, human nature being what it is, lol!

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Dubbed Queen of the Illuminati by Diogenes.

[skywalker]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Maybe, but none of that had been posted here or had anything to do with the question of the thread. I actually said let's leave America and it's actions and policies out of this. To lead off with those statements everytime is every bit as inflammatory as "America Is The Greatest so we can do what we want'. BTW, I got your email, and that is a very interesting life story.

Okay, osama bin laden is an evil bastard and we should catch him and kill him ASAP. Are you happy now? Can I make it anymore clear! (I am totally serious!)

Mark



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[Ryanamur]

Originally posted by Fljotsdale: Good advice, Ryanamur, but difficult to follow! The threads I am interested in are full of it, and sometimes, frankly, I want to punch some people in the mouth and scream "Shut UP! I'm sick of you guys spouting that you are the greatest." You see, by saying America is the greatest you automatically rubbish every other nation on the face of earth. I know that is not the INTENTION and I am sure it never occurs to you how it affects those outside America - you are just being belligerently patriotic because you feel vulnerable (with justification!). But it is sometimes not easy for the rest of us to make allowances, human nature being what it is, lol!

Not as hard as you think. Plus, if you're like me, it gives you stuff to debate on. But the bottom line is, if you don't want to see it, don't read it. It's the opinion of some people on this board (more than just Ronn_Bman) that the USA is indeed the greatest. They are entitled to express their opinions just as much as we. And we should respect who posted the opinion regardless of who we think is right.

Now, you don't have to convince me about your second point. That's what I was trying to point out in my "listen friend" tread. I know that's how they are perceived around the world. Much less in Canada, but still, that's how people unfortunately label Americans. That's why I would have prefered that only non-Americans posted to show them that indeed, that's how they are generally perceived and that, if it's unfortunately the case amongst allies, that it must be much worst around neutral or "ennemy" countries.


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[Ryanamur]

Originally posted by skywalker: Okay, osama bin laden is an evil bastard and we should catch him and kill him ASAP. Are you happy now? Can I make anymore clear! (I am totally serious!) Mark

I knew that was your position before you even posted it. It didn't take a genious to figure that one out, you did make it very clear in your previous post that that was your position

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I'm the Wanderer without a clan... I bring justice without favorism. Though you may not agree with it, my judgement is final... and inconsequential

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by skywalker: This will undermine the point of the thread, but since you asked. 1) I have not seen the actual evidence linking him to the 9/11 attacks. I do know he has admitted to other terrorist acts. It makes no sense for him not to crow about it (9/11) if he did it. This does not mean I like the man or support him. For whatever reasons he does these hateful things, it is irrelevant. This is NOT the way civilized people cause change in this world. Therefore he is an unstable force (I will not use the word evil, it depends on who defines it and where you are in regards to this War) that must be stopped. So much for my sympathy. 2) Saying what is wrong with America has nothing to do with these terrorist acts. You do me a disservice when you say "If you speak out against America's policies you must be allied with our enemies!" Were the people who spoke out against slavery allied with some enemy of the USA? Were the people who rallied for a woman's right to vote an enemy of this country? Were those who spoke out against our role in the Vietnam War enemies of America? I have no overwhelming hate for this great nation, but I do have many issues with this administration. Many people feel we must follow and forget our differences for the greater good. That's fine for them, but not for me. I do support our brave men and women putting there lives on the line in Afghanistan. I support all the people who lost loved ones in the tragedy of the Twin Tower attack. I support all those who are terrorized in the Anthrax attacks. I support all the poor Afghans who have had to live and die under the horrible boot of oppression and now have to worry about a stray missile and become the victim of "collateral damage". We (the USA) are not perfect, we will not get closer to perfection without people disagreeing and questioning our faults. I have nothing more to say. Mark [This message has been edited by skywalker (edited 10-20-2001).]

1) States your position on Bin Laden just fine, and leads me to believe, what I thought all along, that, no, you are not a sympathizer. I just wanted you to state your case since you were asking for an assessment.

2) I never said, ""If you speak out against America's policies, you must be allied with our enemies!"

People speak out on issues every day and always have in America; it's what makes us great. I am not always so pro-American efforts, but in this case I am. The next case I may have completely different feelings. It's a situation by situation assessment for me.

But just as people who are pushing their "America is always right" sentiment to the point of alienating people, it can also go the other way. It doesn't mean you shouldn't do it; it just means you have to expect strong reactions to strong ideas.

3) I certainly hope you don't really mean it when you said you have nothing more to say. After all, speaking out is the purpose of this entire forum.

As I have said before, we don't always agree, but I enjoy the interaction.

Finally, to reinterate....

No, I do not believe you are a Bin Laden Sympathizer.

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"The Martyr" (excerpt)

There is sobbing of the strong,
And a pall upon the land;
But the People in their weeping
Bare the iron hand:
Beware the People weeping
When they bare the iron hand.

--Herman Melville (written after the assasination of President Abraham Lincoln)

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[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by skywalker: Okay, osama bin laden is an evil bastard and we should catch him and kill him ASAP. Are you happy now? Can I make anymore clear! (I am totally serious!) Mark

Glad to hear it, but the post you were responding to was actually aimed at someone else

I did respond to your posting though.



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"The Martyr" (excerpt)

There is sobbing of the strong,
And a pall upon the land;
But the People in their weeping
Bare the iron hand:
Beware the People weeping
When they bare the iron hand.

--Herman Melville (written after the assasination of President Abraham Lincoln)

[skywalker]

I started this thread because of a statement made by Memnoch on my "Moderator Question" Thread:

"Anyone who might sympathize with their cause (America out of the Middle East, America to stop supporting Israel, etc.) but disagree with their methods and actions (such as yourself - correct me if I'm wrong) is of course welcome to post their views."

I was hoping for some response from the Moderators here, but i have not seen them online as of late. Maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but it is a sensitive issue.

Mark



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