If you thought American casualties were bad! - Page 2

Timber Loftis · 04-19-2004, 12:58 PM

There's your solution, Sir T -- if we ignore the topic, maybe it will just *go away.* Self-policing, it's a nice thing.

No offense General, sir. We're annoyed with the topic, not the poster.

General Nosaj · 04-19-2004, 03:47 PM

No offense taken Timber. I didn't know much about the subject being an ignorant Brit but on seeing some extraordinary stats I thought I would voice my opinion.

Illumina Drathiran'ar · 04-19-2004, 04:21 PM

Do what I (and many others) do when it comes to tired topics... Ignore them.

Thoran · 04-20-2004, 03:13 PM

Did you know that 95% of statistics are made up on the spot? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Stratos · 04-20-2004, 03:24 PM

I wonder if anyone has anything more to say on this topic.

promethius9594 · 04-21-2004, 06:50 AM

yes, for el general...

there are three kinds of lies in this world: lies, damned lies, and statistics. ~Mark Twain

I would also like to point out that the first "statistic" you quoted is deceptive. NOTE: it references death by violent crime, it does not say ANYTHING about guns.

Second, i HIGHLY doubt the validity of children being TWELVE times more likely to die of gun wounds in the united states than ANYWHERE else in the world. Think palestine people or bosnia... HELLO? does that statistic seem to make sense to anybody? I'd be more convinced if the statistic said "kids going to inner city high schools are twelve times more likely to be shot than in other first world countries."

But then again, thats not an issue of gun control, thats an issue of bad parenting. we need metal detectors and parenting control. oh, and media control... its ridiculous that by the time a child turns 18 theyve seen an estimated 1500 violent deaths on television or in movies.

General Nosaj · 04-21-2004, 12:16 PM

Sorry, I did not make it clear that the deaths in the first statistic were gun related deaths. But they are as the statistic is under that heading. I would also like to point out that this information comes from an education resource and not a newspaper or the like. The fact it is part of my education would lead me to believe that it would be true.

Sparhawk · 04-21-2004, 01:15 PM

I can say it like this....my friend Janus went from Denmark to USA to study for one year...he was the target of no less than 8 EIGHT drive by shootings...the open access to guns create more violence than in any other country in the world...EVEN russia is peaceful compared to USA

WillowIX · 04-22-2004, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thoran:
Did you know that 95% of statistics are made up on the spot? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I believe that post increased that number. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

General, if you narrow down the definitions of non-military violence you would probably get a more accurate comparison. Right now car accidents etc. could be in that category. Angles are everywhere.

04-19-2004, 12:58 PM	#11
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	There's your solution, Sir T -- if we ignore the topic, maybe it will just go away. Self-policing, it's a nice thing. No offense General, sir. We're annoyed with the topic, not the poster. __________________

04-19-2004, 03:47 PM	#12
General Nosaj Zhentarim Guard Join Date: January 17, 2004 Location: Scotland Age: 37 Posts: 300	No offense taken Timber. I didn't know much about the subject being an ignorant Brit but on seeing some extraordinary stats I thought I would voice my opinion. __________________ \"There shall be no mercy for those who challenge my fight for conquest. Heed this warning!\"-General Nosaj

04-19-2004, 04:21 PM	#13
Illumina Drathiran'ar Apophis Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: I can see the Manhattan skyline from my window. Age: 39 Posts: 4,673	Do what I (and many others) do when it comes to tired topics... Ignore them. __________________ http://cavestory.org PLAY THIS GAME. Seriously. http://xkcd.com/386/ http://www.xkcd.com/406/ My heart is like my coffee. Black, bitter, icy, and with a straw.

04-20-2004, 03:24 PM	#15
Stratos Vampire Join Date: January 29, 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 3,888	I wonder if anyone has anything more to say on this topic. __________________ Nothing is impossible, it's just a matter of probability.

04-21-2004, 06:50 AM	#16
promethius9594 Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: April 13, 2004 Location: USA Age: 42 Posts: 676	yes, for el general... there are three kinds of lies in this world: lies, damned lies, and statistics. ~Mark Twain I would also like to point out that the first "statistic" you quoted is deceptive. NOTE: it references death by violent crime, it does not say ANYTHING about guns. Second, i HIGHLY doubt the validity of children being TWELVE times more likely to die of gun wounds in the united states than ANYWHERE else in the world. Think palestine people or bosnia... HELLO? does that statistic seem to make sense to anybody? I'd be more convinced if the statistic said "kids going to inner city high schools are twelve times more likely to be shot than in other first world countries." But then again, thats not an issue of gun control, thats an issue of bad parenting. we need metal detectors and parenting control. oh, and media control... its ridiculous that by the time a child turns 18 theyve seen an estimated 1500 violent deaths on television or in movies. __________________ mages may seem cool, but if there was a multi player game you wouldnt see my theif/assasin until you were already too dead to cast a spell...

04-20-2004, 03:13 PM	#14
Thoran Galvatron Join Date: January 10, 2002 Location: Upstate NY Age: 57 Posts: 2,109	Did you know that 95% of statistics are made up on the spot? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

04-21-2004, 12:16 PM	#17
General Nosaj Zhentarim Guard Join Date: January 17, 2004 Location: Scotland Age: 37 Posts: 300	Sorry, I did not make it clear that the deaths in the first statistic were gun related deaths. But they are as the statistic is under that heading. I would also like to point out that this information comes from an education resource and not a newspaper or the like. The fact it is part of my education would lead me to believe that it would be true. __________________ \"There shall be no mercy for those who challenge my fight for conquest. Heed this warning!\"-General Nosaj

04-21-2004, 01:15 PM	#18
Sparhawk Quintesson Join Date: June 2, 2001 Location: In the oldest monarchy - Denmark Age: 47 Posts: 1,071	I can say it like this....my friend Janus went from Denmark to USA to study for one year...he was the target of no less than 8 EIGHT drive by shootings...the open access to guns create more violence than in any other country in the world...EVEN russia is peaceful compared to USA __________________ "Between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Arius. There was an age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world. Hither came Conan, the cimmarian, sword in hand. It is I, his chronicler who knows well his saga. Now let me tell you of the days of high adventure!" "Unleash the Casey!" "Make no mistake, should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be looking at an outcome that will have a finality, that is beyound your comprehension. And you will not counting the days or the months or the years, but milleniums in a place with no doors!"

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