Barbarian or Berserker - Page 2

Riftmaker · 12-05-2004, 03:54 AM

Hmph. If I knew someone with a Fighter's handbook, I'd be able to find out for sure. Unfortunately, I don't.

I'll find out if it is or not.

krunchyfrogg · 12-05-2004, 04:29 AM

The D&D Berserker and the one in Baldur's Gate are not the same thing.

Cerek · 12-05-2004, 09:33 AM

Here are the Strengths and Weaknesses listed for each class in BG2...

BERSERKER
[img]graemlins/warrior1.gif[/img]

Strengths
Can use Berserker Rage once per day for every 4 levels (While raged: +2 bonus to hit and damage, -2 AC bonus, Immune to: Charm, Hold, Fear, Maze, Imprisonment, Stun, and Sleep, temporary 15 HP increase [taken away at end of rage - could cause death])
Advanced Weapon Specialization (+++++)
Can use any weapon
Can use any armor

Weaknesses
Winded after Rage (suffers -2 penalty to hit and damage, and a +2 AC penalty)
Cannot specialize in ranged weapons
Cannot cast spells

BARBARIAN
[img]graemlins/barbarian.gif[/img]

Strengths
Immune to Backstab
1-12 HP per level rather than 1-10
+2 Movement Bonus
Rage once/day for every 4 levels (while raged, +4 Constitution and Strength for 5 rounds, +2 AC penalty, +2 Save vs. Magic, Immune to Charm, Hold, Fear, Maze, Confusion, Level Drain)
At level 11, 10% resistance to Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, and Missile Weapons (+5% for every 4 levels thereafter)

Weaknesses
Cannot wear full plate or plate mail armor
Cannot go beyond normal weapon specialization (++)

[ 12-05-2004, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: Cerek ]

Riftmaker · 12-05-2004, 01:42 PM

Krunchy: They are supposed to be. So if the one in the Fighter's handbook doesn't have immunity to level drain, this one shouldn't either.

krunchyfrogg · 12-05-2004, 09:07 PM

That's not true, riftmaker.

The kits in all of the "Complete Guides..." are different from the way they're implemented in BGII.

For instance, the Cavaleir is a Fighter kit, IIRC. There is no Kensai kit. Barbarian is a Fighter kit too, not a class. There is no Sorcerer in AD&D 2e. Swashbuckler is both a fighter and a thief kit.

I don't have the books in front of me, but you could check up on me. I'm pretty sure what I've said above is true.

Riftmaker · 12-06-2004, 02:40 AM

Hm, that's odd.

But still, if the Immunity to Level Drain isn't listed in the kit description, then why should it be implemented?

SixOfSpades · 12-06-2004, 12:37 PM

Conversely, if the Immunity to Level Drain is implemented, then why shouldn't it be listed in the kit description?

Riftmaker · 12-06-2004, 12:41 PM

Exactly.

Someone needs to ask Gaider about this. If someone already has, could they post his answer?

krunchyfrogg · 12-06-2004, 10:37 PM

If the Berserker was NOT supposed to be immune to level drain, I think they would have addressed it in one of the numerous Baldurdash updates.

Riftmaker · 12-07-2004, 02:56 AM

Maybe, but one can still ask. It never hurts to ask, no?

12-05-2004, 03:54 AM	#11
Riftmaker Elminster Join Date: August 30, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 40 Posts: 463	Hmph. If I knew someone with a Fighter's handbook, I'd be able to find out for sure. Unfortunately, I don't. I'll find out if it is or not. __________________ a.k.a. Lord`Rift<br />Founder, Anti-Idgit Squad.<br />\"I find your lack of geek knowledge disturbing\"

12-05-2004, 04:29 AM	#12
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	The D&D Berserker and the one in Baldur's Gate are not the same thing. __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

12-05-2004, 09:33 AM	#13
Cerek Registered Member Iron Throne Cult Join Date: August 27, 2004 Location: North Carolina Age: 62 Posts: 4,888	Here are the Strengths and Weaknesses listed for each class in BG2... BERSERKER [img]graemlins/warrior1.gif[/img] Strengths Can use Berserker Rage once per day for every 4 levels (While raged: +2 bonus to hit and damage, -2 AC bonus, Immune to: Charm, Hold, Fear, Maze, Imprisonment, Stun, and Sleep, temporary 15 HP increase [taken away at end of rage - could cause death]) Advanced Weapon Specialization (+++++) Can use any weapon Can use any armor Weaknesses Winded after Rage (suffers -2 penalty to hit and damage, and a +2 AC penalty) Cannot specialize in ranged weapons Cannot cast spells BARBARIAN [img]graemlins/barbarian.gif[/img] Strengths Immune to Backstab 1-12 HP per level rather than 1-10 +2 Movement Bonus Rage once/day for every 4 levels (while raged, +4 Constitution and Strength for 5 rounds, +2 AC penalty, +2 Save vs. Magic, Immune to Charm, Hold, Fear, Maze, Confusion, Level Drain) At level 11, 10% resistance to Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, and Missile Weapons (+5% for every 4 levels thereafter) Weaknesses Cannot wear full plate or plate mail armor Cannot go beyond normal weapon specialization (++) [ 12-05-2004, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: Cerek ] __________________ Cerek the Calmth

12-05-2004, 01:42 PM	#14
Riftmaker Elminster Join Date: August 30, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 40 Posts: 463	Krunchy: They are supposed to be. So if the one in the Fighter's handbook doesn't have immunity to level drain, this one shouldn't either. __________________ a.k.a. Lord`Rift<br />Founder, Anti-Idgit Squad.<br />\"I find your lack of geek knowledge disturbing\"

12-05-2004, 09:07 PM	#15
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	That's not true, riftmaker. The kits in all of the "Complete Guides..." are different from the way they're implemented in BGII. For instance, the Cavaleir is a Fighter kit, IIRC. There is no Kensai kit. Barbarian is a Fighter kit too, not a class. There is no Sorcerer in AD&D 2e. Swashbuckler is both a fighter and a thief kit. I don't have the books in front of me, but you could check up on me. I'm pretty sure what I've said above is true. __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

12-06-2004, 02:40 AM	#16
Riftmaker Elminster Join Date: August 30, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 40 Posts: 463	Hm, that's odd. But still, if the Immunity to Level Drain isn't listed in the kit description, then why should it be implemented? __________________ a.k.a. Lord`Rift<br />Founder, Anti-Idgit Squad.<br />\"I find your lack of geek knowledge disturbing\"

12-06-2004, 12:37 PM	#17
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	Conversely, if the Immunity to Level Drain is implemented, then why shouldn't it be listed in the kit description? __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

12-06-2004, 12:41 PM	#18
Riftmaker Elminster Join Date: August 30, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 40 Posts: 463	Exactly. Someone needs to ask Gaider about this. If someone already has, could they post his answer? __________________ a.k.a. Lord`Rift<br />Founder, Anti-Idgit Squad.<br />\"I find your lack of geek knowledge disturbing\"

12-06-2004, 10:37 PM	#19
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	If the Berserker was NOT supposed to be immune to level drain, I think they would have addressed it in one of the numerous Baldurdash updates. __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

12-07-2004, 02:56 AM	#20
Riftmaker Elminster Join Date: August 30, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 40 Posts: 463	Maybe, but one can still ask. It never hurts to ask, no? __________________ a.k.a. Lord`Rift<br />Founder, Anti-Idgit Squad.<br />\"I find your lack of geek knowledge disturbing\"

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