Which do you prefer, wizard or sorceror?

[Firestormalpha]

I like sorcerers. Hey wait, I think this is like the 10,000,000th time this topic has surfaced in the few years I've been a member here.

[Lord Lothar]

Sorcerers for advanced players but Necromancers for the newbies.

[Luvian]

Ever since 3rd edition came out, I have never used a regular mage. Mostly because I'm lazy and don't want to have to look for scrolls.

This is especially true in CRPGS. If you play as a mage, you often have to be a long time before getting the spells you want.

Mages do have an advantage, it's metamagic feats.

[ 08-26-2003, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

[Zuvio]

Originally posted by Firestormalpha: I like sorcerers. Hey wait, I think this is like the 10,000,000th time this topic has surfaced in the few years I've been a member here.

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LoL FSA, make that one year and if you stay here, you'll be facing 10,000,000 time more

[Nerull]

In pen and paper, definitely the wizard. There are a huge number of spells in PnP to find, and thereby a sorcerer is much more limited.

In the BG series, definitely the sorcerer. The game has nowhere near the number of spells you see in PnP, so the sorcerers limitation is not much of a limitation at all. If you go through the manual, you will see only a few spells of each level that you will use regularly, so if you choose those as your spells you are all set. Plus, a sorcerer can cast spells off of scrolls just like a wizard, so just hold onto a few spell scrolls for those not-so-commonly-used spells. Only real disadvantage over the wizard is no extra xp from scribing scrolls.

[Lord]

Originally posted by Xen: Heh a funny question. And you know that i will always say:Sorcerer. Ask Pyrenk!

How many times have I heard that from you: solo a sorc, sorc is the best, nothing beats a sorc, etc .

I havn't tried a sorc yet, but it's on my to-do list [img]smile.gif[/img] . I agree about how a mage doesn't use most of his/her spells that they memorize. And I also end up putting magic missile for every spell slot for lvl 1 (if I put another, it would be chromatic orb probabl). I rarely put something besides all magic missiles for lvl 1 spells that are memorized.
So I'd go with sorceror, sounds better than a mage.

[Jon Irenicus]

I prefer the mage, mainly because its more versatile...... But I agree that the Sorc is useful when u want to cast multiple spells at once..

[Pyrenk]

Let's bring an age-old debate back.

Mages end up using less than 1/3 of the spells they scribe. Even with this, they usually tend to fill all the slots in a certain level with a certain spell (Magic Missle, for example. ADHW is common, as well). A Sorcerer learns less spells, total, but can use any spell memorized more times than the mage, and the spell doesn't have to be selected before-hand, the Sorcerer doesn't need to rest, etc. Both can cast spells from scrolls, so in the rare situation that the Sorcerer would not have the right spell for the situation, which is usually a very uncommon one, the spell can be cast from a scroll. The beauty of a Sorcerer (IMO) lies in their spell-casting system. They memorize a certain amount of spells at level-up, and have them ready to cast. You use the spell for the situation, but you don't have to. You can cast Identify 6 times (Ex.), Magic Missle 6 times, etc., without having to put them in your spell slots and resting.

The saving grace of Mages is their versatility. They can take part in dual/multi classes, which, when done correctly, are extremely powerful, and entertaining as well. They also gain experience from scrolls, and considering how many scrolls there are that can be scribed, the total exp gained is considerable. To rebute the "Both can cast spells from scrolls..." in the Sorc section, sometimes you need to cast a spell more than once. With the Mage, you gain as many uses from your scroll per day as you have slots open in it's level.

I may have repeated something, but I wasn't paying much attention to this.

ADD] Dundee can explain why the Sorcerer is superior much better than I could.

[ 08-28-2003, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

[Xen]

Origanlly posted by Dundee Slaytern

Another discussion about Sorcerers and Mages. Threads like these are rare. Some people, like me, like to gain power and use it to utterly crush the opposition... However, due to the Sorcerer's unique method of spellcasting, certain game-breaking tactics are open to him, whereas the Mage has to use weaker alternatives. If I had to single out one spell that best illustrates the differences between the Mage and the Sorcerer, it will have to be Project Image. It is extraordinary in the hands of a Mage, but Godly in the hands of a Sorcerer. What a Mage can output with Project Image, a Sorcerer can easily double it and more( due to spell versatility during combat). Skeleton Warriors, Mordenkainen's Swords, Sword Spiders and Planetars are all an arcane spellcaster needs. Honestly... will a Sorcerer care if that Mage over there can conjure a Fire Elemental which will succumb to a MSword anyway? A Sorcerer can kill anything with ease, so long as the battleground is not a Dead-Magic Zone.(Even here Sorcerer can use Boots of Preservation). Even Weimer, Modder of many of the outrageously difficult Improved Fights, admits that they are a cakewalk for a Sorcerer, because you see... a Sorcerer is the cheesiest arcane spellcaster in the game. Short of psionics, a Sorcerer can defend him/herself from anything. A few select spells, and the Sorcerer more or less gives him/herself immunity to death. Why... for a lark, a Sorcerer can heal himself while simultaneously killing everybody in the MAP with the same spell. A Mage can try to do the same, but only a Sorcerer can take it to the extreme. Heard of the Ritual Mod? A Sorcerer can clear out the forest in less than a turn. Now you see why Sorcerer always thriupms. Becuase Mage is dumb.

[ 08-29-2003, 07:08 AM: Message edited by: Xen ]

[Dadams1]

*AHEM*, well, this comic here clearly shows what I think...

http://www.gamespy.com/comics/nodwic...spynod028.html