SoA + ToB = additional area in SoA and I've questions. !(spoilers)

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Pirengle the BNM: If I want to be spoiled on ToB stuff, I want to do that on my own by reading Volo's Comeuppance or Dan Simpson's guide.

**AHEM** Spoilers, ToB spoilers at that, in Volothamp's Comeuppance?!?!? Surely you jest! Yes, there are a few small spoilers in there, but they're all behind "Spoil Me!" buttons or concealed as invisible text. Sure, you can look up the Bigby spells and see what they do, but come on.....Spoilers? More to the point, do you have any examples of where you read anything that you would rather not have?

[Pirengle]

I apologize for my rage. Guess it was the death throes of an unspoiled mind...still doesn't excuse my words.

Sorry about that, Merlin. It wasn't directed at you.

Yes, I should have known better about cracking open a ToB-titled post on the SoA board then complaining about spoilers afterword. I apologize.

But it was on the SoA board that I stumbled on the following things (highlight to read):

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* Lord Ao gifting the PC, Wild Magic zones, Dead Magic zones, the Big Metal Unit, and what irked me the most, the true nature of Melissan without a spoiler tag! (The spoiler tag was added later, but too late!) I stumbled onto the magic zones thinking there was something I missed in my game. The BMU was an accident. The Lord Ao thing is debatable. But the Melissan spoiler, IMO, was inexcusable. It happened a day after I shipped back my first nonfunctional ToB CD. I read that and thought, why bother?

I don't mind people asking questions if they involve ToB-only items or whatnot. I just wish people would have the good sense not to drop these bombshells on this board. Especially the Melissan thing. Kinda like, oh, accidently reading about where the Helmet of Balduran before having the pleasure of finding it yourself? *
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As for spoilers on your site, Six, what about Chapter 13? When/if I ever get a working ToB CD from Interplay, I will go back and read the ToB chunk that I skipped over.

But, seeing as how I can't achieve the phenomenon of posting at Ironworks and remaining unspoiled, future grumbling and griping will be in the quiet of my dorm room instead of posted on the forum.

[ 04-08-2003, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: Pirengle the BNM ]

[Imrahil]

Watcher's Keep questions should be fair game here & in the ToB forum since it's a part of both games. Granted you have to have ToB to even have access to WK, but the games are sold as a package nowadays, so newer people may tend to think of WK as part of SoA (in particular if they are trying WK before finishing SoA & don't want to visit the ToB board til they do).

As long as the thread is clearly labelled as a WK thread, I have no problem with WK questions popping up here & it may be a bad thing (i.e. exposing someone to even more spoilers) to force them to move their question to the ToB board.

Someone who blurts out non-WK plot elements of ToB in this forum deserves the lashes they get just as if they blurted out ToB spoilers in a regular SoA thread.

All IMO, of course...

- Imrahil

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Pirengle the BNM: As for spoilers on your site, Six, what about Chapter 13?

Chapter 13 is notorious for being almost indecipherably cryptic--for the most part, only those gamers who have actually been in the places I'm discussing can wade through my oblique hints and know what the hell I'm talking about. I just skimmed through it again, and the most "spoileriffic" thing in there (that I saw, anyway) was my warning to watch out for Level Drain when looking for the Book of Kaza or the Nether Scroll. And the only reason I posted THAT in the first place is because that's where a lot of low-level parties get very frustrated. So there! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And Imrahil, I happen to be of the opinion that Watcher's Keep is part of ToB, whether you can access it in Chapter 2 or not. If it ain't on the discs that say "Shadows of Amn," then it ain't Shadows of Amn.

[Imrahil]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: And Imrahil, I happen to be of the opinion that Watcher's Keep is part of ToB, whether you can access it in Chapter 2 or not. If it ain't on the discs that say "Shadows of Amn," then it ain't Shadows of Amn.

I understand that point of view, but I tend to think of it more along the lines of "if it's accessible from SoA, it IS SoA". By your definition, no one could ask MOD questions here, either, since they aren't on the discs. We'd have to jump on anyone who asked Tactics questions, Darkest Day questions, Valen questions, or Item Upgrade questions as well.

I'm just concerned about people who haven't even hit ToB yet who might have WK questions (though, I completely agree that they should be clearly labelled as WK questions).

- Imrahil

[Dundee Slaytern]

Well, this is my stand on the issue, and I quote from the SoA Forum Guidelines,

Also, if you want to mention ToB( Throne of Bhaal, the SoA expansion) issues in a SoA context, add a ToB spoiler tag. If you want to discuss ToB issues in a ToB context, go to the Baldurs Gate II: Throne of Bhaal Forum. Remember, not everybody has the expansion, so what you say may not make sense to them, and it will also spoil them.

Places like Watcher's Keep are allowed to be mentioned in the SoA so long as it is explicitly mentioned that there will ToB Spoilers. For this reason, Merlin from Amber has done well and I find no fault with this thread( although his other thread was moved to the ToB Forum due to context).

Pirengle the BNM, I feel your pain, since I have suffered similarly in the past, but it is in my personal opinion, that Ironworks has one of the most, if not the most, non-spoilerish forums around in the internet community. In most forums, people and moderators alike could not care less about the issue of spoilers and do nothing to prevent them.

I do not claim Ironworks to be perfect, but I and the other moderators do everything we can to enforce the spoilers policy. It is just unfortunate that sometimes, a person either due to ignorance or excitement, forget about the policy and post a spoiler. When this happens, the only thing we can do is to inform the person and/or inform a moderator about it. Just be polite about it, as I also mentioned in the SoA Forum Guidelines.

Spoilers are not tolerated in this forum, although I view each incident on a case by case basis. If it is something minor like an item's location, I usually let it slide( unless it is quest-related or such). If it is about revealing the true identity of somebody though, or major quest events/locations, then I will edit the post/thread.

Bear in mind that I vastly prefer the offender to edit his/her post/thread him/herself, and I usually give a grace period after somebody has pointed it out to him/her of his/her offence. If however, the post/thread has not been edited after the grace period, then I step in. I usually do it discretely, but rest assured, I take notes. I also edit spoiler posts if I happen to stumble upon them and nobody else noticed it. I am discrete in these cases as well, usually not posting to actively let people know what I did, although observant people will notice the Edited by DSlaytern]~~ left underneath the edited posts.

[super_smasher3]

Just don't worry about it Merlin, although it does seem like you've started quite an argument between SixofSpades and Pirengle the BNM!

I agree that IW is pretty non-spoilerific, although I have accidently stumbled across some info about a certain person not introduced 'till ToB.

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by super_smasher3: ....it does seem like you've started quite an argument between SixofSpades and Pirengle the BNM!

Hah. If it's got s and [img]tongue.gif[/img] s in it, then it's not an argument, it's a duel of mock indignation.

"And then I ram my ovipositor down your throat and lay my eggs in your chest. But I am not an alien!"

[Pirengle]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: "And then I ram my ovipositor down your throat and lay my eggs in your chest. But I am not an alien!"

Well, that made me fail my save vs. spitting orange juice all over keyboard. I hope you're happy. [img]tongue.gif[/img]