What a boring game!!!!!!!!

[Megabot]

Ahhh maby the discussion is over now ! Thanks to Bioware for the ansver! LOL

[Yorick]

Originally posted by tegoyo: To Yorick once more: Read the letter and understand what it says *it is a game, it is fiction* and drop your oh I am so good politicly correctness.

As I said, I'll post my reply. Those two arguments are defenseless. It may be a game, it may be fiction, but in character startup it says (paraphrased) "The Gypsy....makes his way by illegal means, often crossing thieves guilds on his way through"

A racist statement due to the Gypsy being a factual race regardless of the games setting.

Let's say I have a game set in "Normplianda".

I have two professions. The Spaniard, and the Amerikan.

The Spaniard makes his way with religious conviction. Persecuting those he disagrees with and killing locals for their silver.

The Amerikan though powerful is ignorant of others cultures. Ignoring local laws he steps on his smaller adversaries for the slightest provokation.

How would you feel?

[theifprowess]

what race are the amerikans? white black hispanic asian korean european russian indian australian/ amerikans. problem with amerikans is they all came from another part of the world.as far as the game is concerned, it would be interesting to see how the story was,and what the char looked like. you could make the game out to be like warcfraft. the only thing i would look for is storyline,music,and gameplay.if all 3 really sucks then no i wouldnt play the game. i wouldnt take the game literally either.

but why call it amerikans against the world? the amerikans havent fallen from power yet have they?why not call it. romanns vs the world so at least you can say the romanns were conquering all of the old world and nothing could stop them from there conquest. cept for game added bug where you must protect your empire from the political anarchy bug that threatens to destroy your empire.

[theifprowess]

if you dont like my game or yoricks you do not have to play them. it is not like the amerikans or any other faction is making you play the game.any amerikan and any other world citizen has been given their own free will to do what they want with their time so if you dont want to play the game cause you feel in your own belief that its bias. then so be it you do not have to play it. hell maybe instead of playing such horrific games we should all take the time to learn how to highjack planes and go on suicidal martyr missions and blow up more buildings instead of playing these stupid biased games. at least a point will be made, wont it:p?lets all agree to disagree that nothing is going to come from trying to fight the corporate giants and accept that they like the rest of the corporate giants have been given the right to step on the little people cause the little people have given them the right to.its the little people that buy the product, and if the product keeps selling why should they stop?

unreal tourny, halflife, quake3. all involve mass killing of each other for contest reasons. then some kids in school decide they want to go shoot up fellow schoolmates cause of bullies. where do they look first to blame. those types of games. yet for some reason they still are the largest and most played games out there. you can not stop the sale of such games because it controls and dominates the market. its like i said with drugs. it ended up costing more money for the US trying to end the drug war then it did to just let it ride.the reason why is there are stupid and i mean alot of stupid people out there that want the drugs. and there will be any means necessary to get them. you cant control it, you cant fight it, but it can be tolerated.i dont do drugs or anything but i am willing to bet there are many of people on IW that do do illegal substances.hell one of my best freinds does drugs. my mother did drugs(cant say such anymore cause shes dead).

i guess the point i am trying to cross is sure its great to fight a cause,such as racism,drugs,violence, and many other things. but the cause you are trying to fight can not be won just to the due fact that in our politcal world today they are by all means allowed to but that kind of content into their game.

maybe the arabs are so mad at the US for always portraying them as terrorists in movies.maybe thats why they have struck back.but does it make it right?does that not make them more of what the US makes them out to be?why not instead of blowing themselves up like idiots do they not try to prove us wrong?
and on and on and on icould go on for ever with related topics that i know woll never get solved but my fingers are tired.

[Deathcow]

Originally posted by theifprowess: if you dont like my game or yoricks you do not have to play them. it is not like the amerikans or any other faction is making you play the game.any amerikan and any other world citizen has been given their own free will to do what they want with their time so if you dont want to play the game cause you feel in your own belief that its bias. then so be it you do not have to play it. hell maybe instead of playing such horrific games we should all take the time to learn how to highjack planes and go on suicidal martyr missions and blow up more buildings instead of playing these stupid biased games. at least a point will be made, wont it:p?lets all agree to disagree that nothing is going to come from trying to fight the corporate giants and accept that they like the rest of the corporate giants have been given the right to step on the little people cause the little people have given them the right to.its the little people that buy the product, and if the product keeps selling why should they stop? unreal tourny, halflife, quake3. all involve mass killing of each other for contest reasons. then some kids in school decide they want to go shoot up fellow schoolmates cause of bullies. where do they look first to blame. those types of games. yet for some reason they still are the largest and most played games out there. you can not stop the sale of such games because it controls and dominates the market. its like i said with drugs. it ended up costing more money for the US trying to end the drug war then it did to just let it ride.the reason why is there are stupid and i mean alot of stupid people out there that want the drugs. and there will be any means necessary to get them. you cant control it, you cant fight it, but it can be tolerated.i dont do drugs or anything but i am willing to bet there are many of people on IW that do do illegal substances.hell one of my best freinds does drugs. my mother did drugs(cant say such anymore cause shes dead). maybe the arabs are so mad at the US for always portraying them as terrorists in movies.maybe thats why they have struck back.but does it make it right?does that not make them more of what the US makes them out to be?why not instead of blowing themselves up like idiots do they not try to prove us wrong? and on and on and on icould go on for ever with related topics that i know woll never get solved but my fingers are tired.

That post was gibberish. My head hurts from reading the whole thing. You're still trying to make a point without having ANY backing for your it. You touch on big issues that seem important, but they're really spuriously correlated to this topic.

There is a big difference between an email to Bioware and hijacking planes, which you shouldn't have even suggested.

i guess the point i am trying to cross is sure its great to fight a cause,such as racism,drugs,violence, and many other things. but the cause you are trying to fight can not be won just to the due fact that in our politcal world today they are by all means allowed to but that kind of content into their game.

The cause we're fighting here IS racism, regardless of the fact that it was unintentional. We might not win, but does that mean we shouldn't even try? No. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[tegoyo]

On last time to Yorick: If you programm a game like what you described, I would play it if its good, if not I ignore it (no misunderstanding here, I ignore it because it is a bad game.) Its games, man, and out there are tons of games that put people in a box. I think by now you are just making a fool of yourself by not droping the subject. You got your letter from bioware, what else? Start a war?Stop bioware from developing games?

[Calaethis Dragonsbane]

How the hell did this topic manage to get soo 'off topic', if you get my meaning...

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by tegoyo: To Yorick once more: Read the letter and understand what it says *it is a game, it is fiction* and drop your oh I am so good politicly correctness.

As I said, I'll post my reply. Those two arguments are defenseless. It may be a game, it may be fiction, but in character startup it says (paraphrased) "The Gypsy....makes his way by illegal means, often crossing thieves guilds on his way through"

A racist statement due to the Gypsy being a factual race regardless of the games setting.

Let's say I have a game set in "Normplianda".

I have two professions. The Spaniard, and the Amerikan.

The Spaniard makes his way with religious conviction. Persecuting those he disagrees with and killing locals for their silver.

The Amerikan though powerful is ignorant of others cultures. Ignoring local laws he steps on his smaller adversaries for the slightest provokation.

How would you feel?[/QUOTE] Yorick I really really disagree with you on this, but I do support your right to complain as much as you would like.

I do however take exception to you making claims that Gypsy's are a "RACE". As far as I have been able to find on the internet, Gypsy's are in fact Human (Homo Sapiens) They have the same genetic makeup as do we all and are therefore NOT a Race unto themselves. Now you could say that you are using "A" dictionary definition of race...but you have already denied Bioware that defense so I guess it would not be appropriate to try and use it yourself.

I also think that this discussion should be moved to the GD forum. Since it is not really about the game but about ideology, sensitivity and bruised feelings.

As for your last question, how would I feel? I would feel the same as if you had told a pollack joke...I know it isn't true and not care.

[ 07-09-2002, 12:44 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Neb]

Why must everyone bitch and whine just because Yorick decides to see if he can manage to change something that he sees as offensive towards a certain culture? Will it lessen your enjoyment of the game if he manages to get it changed? No. Will it increase his enjoyment of the game? Possibly.

I see no reason to argue with Yorick even though I might not agree entirely with what he's saying since if he succeeds it harms noone and helps him.

Unless of course there are people out there who think that gypsies SHOULD be portrayed in this way. In which case I couldn't care less if it makes them feel uncomfortable if it's changed since they're obviously a bunch of intolerant racist morons.

[tegoyo]

To Neb: Ouite the opposite, its just that I despise people that turn every stone until they found something to complain about (and even more so if their complaint is extremly far fetched). And this people do affect me! Remember the inquisition? (not personal , of course!) But in them days you stepped out of line by saying somthing what would today be called "politically incorrect" it was the fire for you. And this is what this people want. You have to see the world their way, and if you dont, well "I complain about you, I sue you or whatever, or I write letters that keep people from developing fun and entertaning games."