By Popular Demand...We should LOVE the Kobold not hate him

[Morgeruat]

But that is exactly what we're talking about, in their present state kobolds are just so much cannon fodder, if we can teach them, train them, and help them find a place in society where they will be content all will benefit, and you will see them walking up to Khelben "the blackstaff" Arunsen to discuss politics, and trade routes.

Perhaps even the issue of their evil god can be reconciled, for if he no longer represents them won't they re-invent him, if they believe he is a god of the kobold virtues (currently laziness and raiding) wouldn't he be forced to change when enough of his "children" believed in the same virtues that so much of the Realms follow?

[InsaneBane]

I wonder who invented the name 'kobold' in the first time. Is it the name the kobolds use among themselves? Is it a bad translation of a kobold word? or is it some word 'invented' by the common speaking community of the so called civilized part of the world.

Has anyone asked the kobolds if that is the name they wanted to be known by. The name kobold has become a synonym to laziness and unprovoked violence during history. This derogatory name for theese kind of beings could end up destroying their new gained reputation (if you translate it directly from my native language it would be somethink like 'cow ball' (I thought it was the bull that had the balls - but time changes you know)).

I will like to suggest a new word for those beings:

'Rats' would be appropriate I think [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

Insane

[Grungi]

call em redtailed gimps, but watch you dont insult anyone from the deep south

[Darksinger]

Originally posted by Dragis: I am shocked and bewildered...I can't believe my eyes. The integration of kobolds indeed! How can any speak of such a thing when there is stil descrimation against the races that are beneficial to Faerun society i a half-elf raised in the hollowed halls of Candle Keep listening to many talls of honor and sacrifice long dreamed of being a Paladin with sword and shield at the ready fighting evil wherever i might find it ..yet when i became of age and decided to fulfill my life long dream i was told HUMANS only ..i was crushed if not for the beautiful Jaharia (to bad she's married) i would have been lost i now have a happy and content life as a Druid but that rebuke of Humans only still stings to this day (snifle sniffle) but i say this how can you support the kobold who as never done anything beneficial for Faerun society(desipe the claims of one that said he became a paladin for i have my doupts as to the validity of that claim) when races that have helped and been an asset to society are stil descrimated against

Dear, dear Dragis, I feel your pain, and couldn't agree more. The prejudice inherent in the system of racial determination of character classes is a much more heinous example of the xenophobia and hatred that runs rampant throughout Faerun. While I am not here taking a stand one way or t'other on Kobolds, I beseech the powers that be to show love to all our brethren and sistren (or is that cistern?) Open the classes to all!

Oh, and one other small thing...don't doubt your chances with Jahira. Yes, she travels with Khalid, but there is no indication that they are married...her affection towards him comes from their membership in that secret elitist group, the Harpers. Don't let the prejudice of the Faerun class system get you down... don't take their word for what your self image should be. Go for it!

[Darksinger]

Originally posted by InsaneBane: Have anyone ever asked the kobolds IF they want to be civilized and educated? Maybe they just happens to like their current lifestyle. Maybe they just want to live in their own community, without interference from halflings and other so called civilized cultures. Maybe they just like the sport of killing and being killed. After all their genes seems to support their bad habit of getting killed by adventures all the time, by making the kobolds able to reproduce themselves at a very fast rate. Insane

Hear, Hear, InsaneBane! (Or is it, "Here, Here!"...I've never gotten that figured out.)Right you are. And with it you expose the underlying arrogance in that most revered societal rede of the cultures of humanity...Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You. Just how the heck do you know that others want to be done to the same way you want done to you??? So, before we undertake the plan of Kobold integration, I will undertake a study. I realize that I would've had a better chance getting funding had Gore won the presidency (in any way other than popularly, that is...), but I'm writing my government grant proposal as we speak. I'll need about thirty survey-takers, your salaries will be about 3000 gold per year, and I see the study taking about 5 years to complete. I will accept applications any time.

[Darksinger]

Originally posted by Lord Brass: How can this be? Once ordinary, dare I say intelligent fellows, proselytizing on the canine qualities of the kobold. Yes, there exists a superficial similarity, but surely that is where it ends. These vermin are bipedal. We know this for fact, as the little blighters launch a fusillade of arrows at us; their actions conote the humanoid. If that is so, the kobold cannot (and I choose my words carefully) engage its own genitalia with oral stimulation. Surely this, is the envy (sic) that daan espouses. Thus, it is a fallacy, and like most things regarding this disreputable species: specious. If not manifestly spurious. Mark FAO Rastid Koboldbiter

Ah, but I say that canine-a-phobia may well be at the root of our hatred of kobolds. Take a look at the difference between the way that we receive them and the way that the feline-human hybrids which populate the worlds of Andre Norton are received. Though I am bi-animalian in my affections (but not in my sexual practices... [img]smile.gif[/img] ), I think that what we are seeing here is much larger than kobolds...I think it reflects a play for dominance being undertaken by the felines amongst us. What else could they be doing while whiling away the hours, curled in their furry repose, but planning for world domination?

[Grungi]

oh no this argument is going downhill, your advocating sleeping with jaheira now just cos khalid is dozy [img]tongue.gif[/img] i mean surely you'd take wilma flintstone any day of the week over jaheira? i mean erm , erm , erm ill shut up now [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Myrddin L'argenton]

Originally posted by Grungi: oh no this argument is going downhill, your advocating sleeping with jaheira now just cos khalid is dozy [img]tongue.gif[/img] i mean surely you'd take wilma flintstone any day of the week over jaheira? i mean erm , erm , erm ill shut up now [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Yeah keep on topic. Grungi. Anyway, anyone wanting Jahiera, get BG2 and play as a male with her in the party. That will sort it for you.

[Legolas]

Originally posted by Myrddin L'argenton: quote: Originally posted by Grungi: oh no this argument is going downhill, your advocating sleeping with jaheira now just cos khalid is dozy [img]tongue.gif[/img] i mean surely you'd take wilma flintstone any day of the week over jaheira? i mean erm , erm , erm ill shut up now [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Yeah keep on topic. Grungi. Anyway, anyone wanting Jahiera, get BG2 and play as a male with her in the party. That will sort it for you.[/QUOTE]Well, only if you play a human-sized character. No dice for the dwarves, gnomes, xvarts and kobolds amongst us.

With this out of the way, I would dearly like to hear Mr. Baggins' put Lord Brass' concerns at rest, if he can.

At the moment, the main parties involved are the KAK and the BYOB, and whilst the concerns of the different smaller movements are deserving of the same attention as the larger ones, I have yet to see the formation of any plan of approach from any of those others involved in the discussion. I realise this may well be because the opposition lacks the proper funds for research, which is why I will grant two thousand and five gold coins to any and all movements who provide a realistic, effective and humane plan to deal with the issue of the kobold.

[InsaneBane]

Originally posted by Legolas: I will grant two thousand and five gold coins to any and all movements who provide a realistic, effective and humane plan to deal with the issue of the kobold.

I will (as an individual - or a one person movement) like to have the first shot:

Make a reservation for all the kobolds, where they could live their own lives without interference from the so called civilized parts of the world. If they leave that place, it must be because they want to interfere with the other beings in the world (ie. to shoot arrows - and get chopped by the first adventuring hero they meet [img]smile.gif[/img] ).

It will of course require some hard work to drive the kobolds together and place them in their new reservation. But I guess that a lot of the adventures of the sword coast would do that for little money (and XP).

As a reservation I highly suggest the Firewind ruins (lock the doors and throw the keys away).

Evaluation:

Realistic: I guess it could be done. If we let the kobolds (and the adventures) know that there is a reward of killing kobolds outside the Firewind ruins of 7XP each head, I guess it will keep the kobolds where they are.

Effective: With so many adventures on the sword coast I guess it will be effective. In 100 years none (ok - except maybe some elfs or dwarves) will remember what a kobold is (or was). Of course you have to throw the keys away for good (or maybe drop them into some erupting vulcano like some of the halflings do with their rings).

Humane: Well - all we need is a natural 20 on our hit roll, whenever we meet a kobold outside the reservation. Quick and - 'humane'.

Insane