PETA-Freaks attack Rumsfeld....

[Harkoliar]

i didnt know that dolphin was part of the pets training.. dogs yes.. dolphins and birds no...

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: From the sex-appeal quiz: My favorite one that people generally don't know: 3. True or false: Milk does a body good. ANSWER: False. Despite what the eyes-on-their-wallets dairy industry wants you to believe, drinking milk does not prevent osteoporosis; instead, the high animal-protein content of milk actually causes calcium to be leached from the body. Industrialized Western nations, the biggest consumers of milk, have the highest rates of osteoporosis, while regions of the world where dairy products are essentially unheard of, such as China and Japan, are virtually osteoporosis-free. Get the right amount of calcium from the plant world–tofu, broccoli, navy beans, sesame seeds, nuts, and fortified orange juice are all good sources. So, no matter how much milk you drink, every drop causes a net loss of calcium. The ADA did a study on this 5 or 10 years ago and refuses to release the findings. Don't believe the hype about milk. If you want more info, read the book Milk is Poison. If you like it, that's one thing, but don't go off thinking it gives you strong bones and teeth. I think I'll head home to my own personal lettuce lady. Oh - and Caesar dressing contains anchovies, while ranch contains dairy - just so you know. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

(honest) Answer to true or false question: I don't care, I drink little milk but enjoy it when I have it.

No offense meant with the choice of dressings, they were just the two at the forefront of my ability to name any at the moment...I eat a variety of dressings, it all depends on what the meal is. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: to appreciate life is to see all sides, including the side that life must end for yours to continue.

Ahhh, the food chain.

I thank God for cows (chickens too).

Hey TL, if Milk is so bad for you, why did both my kids do so damned well at growing and developing in their first year of life while subsisting on nothing but mothers milk? You would think that if milk were poison they would have sickened and died.

[Sir Kenyth]

Timber, that post wasn't directed at you. I didn't quote your post for that reason. Your post did spark the fire though so I can see where you might think I was jumping on you. I've seen quite a few PETA anti-meat, anti-milk articles and the quack science and medical garbage just exasperate me. As a matter of fact I read one against milk just a short time before looking at this thread. I was primarily venting about those. I also want to clarify that I don't claim that Vegan diets are bad things as diets. They're generally really healthy along with processed meat/milk replacement products. It's the fanatic attitude and disinformation that sometimes come along with it that irk me. I can't stand being scowled at for eating meat. It happened once. Terms like "Carrion Breath" or "Corpse Breath" really get me going! Vegan as a healthy diet and lifestyle is great. Vegan as a religion trying to aquire converts isn't. Anyway, I apologize if you took that post personally. I didn't mean to jump on you. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 04-11-2003, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: Sir Kenyth ]

[Sir Kenyth]

Originally posted by MagiK: Hey TL, if Milk is so bad for you, why did both my kids do so damned well at growing and developing in their first year of life while subsisting on nothing but mothers milk? You would think that if milk were poison they would have sickened and died.

Hey MagiK, you ever check out some of the anti-milk stuff? The propaganda is laughable. They compare milk to pus, mucus, etc. They call it a "gland secretion" instead of milk. Anything to make it sound disgusting. Some of the claims they make literally make your eyes roll.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Sir Kenyth: Quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Hey TL, if Milk is so bad for you, why did both my kids do so damned well at growing and developing in their first year of life while subsisting on nothing but mothers milk? You would think that if milk were poison they would have sickened and died.

Hey MagiK, you ever check out some of the anti-milk stuff? The propaganda is laughable. They compare milk to pus, mucus, etc. They call it a "gland secretion" instead of milk. Anything to make it sound disgusting. Some of the claims they make literally make your eyes roll.[/QUOTE]MagiK, in this instance, the "it's not cow's milk" is an appropriate statement. Mother's milk is attuned to the baby. Not only on a general "human nutritional needs" level, but even on a blood type and genetic level. Now, IIRC human mother's milk *also* contains a TON of protein and sat. fats like cows milk, but in an infant these things are *healthy* - unlike in adolescents and adults, where they strip calcium from the bones and contribute to heart disease and obesity.

Look - I *like* dairy. Milk not so much anymore, but I LURVE CHEESE. Point is, eat it cause you like it, just don't believe the hype about CALCIUM. Mine is a very narrow statement.

Regarding the "propoganda," is there anything wrong with admitting the "truth." This is really an important point because both sides of any issue try to cast their position in terms that benefit them. Calling it "body parts" instead of "chicken legs" may be "propoganda" but "hamburger" and "steak" and "sweetbread" (which means thyroid-gland-ripped-from-throat) are euphamisms. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. The common names of foods are meant to disassociate the nature of the meat, removing thoughts of from whence it came from your mind and, in turn, from your palette. If you get so irked by the small minority of us who strive to remind you that it is a carcass you are in fact cooking and eating, then you should consider how emotionally/mentally attached you are to food euphamisms rather than direct your ire at those people.

I refer to my diet as "I don't eat any flesh." This is the most accurate way I can tell it to someone who doesn't know what the ambiguous term "vegetarian" means to me. I don't mean to be rude, but if I say I don't eat "meat," then they say, "Oh, this is chicken/fish/etc." So a statement of "No flesh" usually conveys my meaning, "no body parts" if they need clarification.

And "carrion breath" really bothers some veggies - my wife hates it. You don't notice how pungeant some meat really is until you quit eating it. Just like non coffee drinkers can really smell coffee and non smokers can smell smoke more than smokers can.

[pritchke]

I contribute having no cavities and breaking no bones to drinking Milk.

As far as the obese thing, cut back to 1% or skim, or even drink a special Orange Juice with Calcium. There are tons of other ways to get Calcium without milk, but I enjoy it Milk so I drink it.

I don't think Milk is unhealthy for you. Surely It is far better than Coke or Pepsi and I don't see the anti-Milk freaks going nuts over those products.

TL I am also a cheese-a-holic [img]smile.gif[/img] I was just wondering why babies would do so well if Milk was toxic as some of the anti-milk crowd seem to want to say. [img]smile.gif[/img] I wasn't trying to give you any grief [img]smile.gif[/img] And ain't no one taking my Milk and Double Stuff oreos away from me without a fight [img]smile.gif[/img] Healthy? maybe not, but definately yummy [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Timber Loftis]

Pritchke, you may have VERY healthy bones, but your CALCIUM ain't coming from the milk. Did you read the science I posted?

Milk = super protein, too much to be digested by your body at once.
Excess protein goes to liver.
Liver is toxin elimination system. Protein = highly acidic.
Liver neutralizes the acid (protein) with a base - which in the body is Calcium. Liver takes calcium first from blood, but only to a minimum (as blood MUST have Calcium) and then from the bones - directly.
In the end, for anyone over weaning age, each unit of milk you intake creates a NET LOSS in CALCIUM. Drink more milk, lose more CALCIUM. That simple.

The women in my family have a huge osteo problem. The ones who quit drinking milk (as much) on my advice and began taking calcium supplements instead are dealing with it *much* better than those who drink lots of milk in effort to fight the osteo.

Enjoy your milk -- esp. with double-stuff oreos (can we say AMBROSIA? ), but remember to get your calcium from green leafies, fortified OJ, and other sources, including supplements if you must.