Is it UNamerican to believe in communism?

Sythe · 03-31-2003, 07:14 PM

My class had this talk and my teacher asked if it was UNamerican to believe in communism. There were many fews it is and is not. It was a great disscusion so what are your views?

Timber Loftis · 03-31-2003, 07:27 PM

There is nothing inherently un-American in believing the state should own everything. Unwise, certainly, but not un-American. Capitalism/Socialism/Communism are simply points on a sliding scale measurement of how intertwined the government and private enterprise are.

If you want to be technical, we are not pure Capitalists in America. We are, in fact socialist in many ways. Now, saying that will be considered UnAmerican by many, but the truth is the truth. When the government collects roughly 30% of its peoples' money and has many nationalized industries, including several institutionalized monopolies (like the Post Office), it is socialism, albeit a lesser degree of socialism than, say, Norway.

LordKathen · 03-31-2003, 08:30 PM

Wow! That was great TL. I had an argument with a guy about this once. He was very redneckish (is that ok), and was mostly talk, but refused to see exactly what you just stated. The Post office is the best example.

D*Ranged · 03-31-2003, 08:41 PM

Well, 4 decades back it would be VERY UN - American (4 political reasons though). Maybe not today. But I can't say for sure.

Oh, and Kasrl Marx made a great idealogy in terms of society but the problem was that he forgot to include GREED.

ocelot · 03-31-2003, 08:44 PM

Hello everyone very good forum is right!

I am a newbie but it seems to me that Gov't and any kind of social action is intertwinned very closely.

Is The Mark of The Beast so far off? A chip perhaps?

What are you feelings? Atrayu said I could be blunt

LordKathen · 03-31-2003, 08:49 PM

Welcome ocelot, to IW. Have fun, be friendly, and read the ToS at the top.

Atrayu · 03-31-2003, 08:50 PM

Opps sorry guys, young oppinionated bird - Ill get'em

Scratched somebody including my ram.

Arvon · 03-31-2003, 09:38 PM

No it's not Un-american to believe in communism, but it's been tries a multitude of times here ...all ended in failure. Even China has moved to a market economy. They are heavy communist in the political arena.

/)eathKiller · 03-31-2003, 09:40 PM

It has some good sides but has never really been implied properly... Perhaps Pacifism is more the way to go?

The Lilarcor · 03-31-2003, 11:10 PM

To me there has been only one successful communist government. Its dead except in memory. What I am talking about is the Native Americans, how they lived before their culture was eradicated by us. If you look at Communism, they share everything as a whole, which is what many of the Native American did in their villages, nothing belonged to the individual person but to the whole village.

The only reason for Communism to be unamerican (decades ago) was that russia was temporarily a democracy, but then communism got a hold of it and due to radicals and protecting the world for democracy and such. Thats why the united states didn't like it.

03-31-2003, 07:14 PM	#1
Sythe Ra Join Date: May 19, 2002 Location: The US of A Age: 36 Posts: 2,365	My class had this talk and my teacher asked if it was UNamerican to believe in communism. There were many fews it is and is not. It was a great disscusion so what are your views? __________________ Slythe is back! Back again! Haha! <br /><br />[url]\"http://imageshack.us\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/9928/130blood4ts.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

03-31-2003, 07:27 PM	#2
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	There is nothing inherently un-American in believing the state should own everything. Unwise, certainly, but not un-American. Capitalism/Socialism/Communism are simply points on a sliding scale measurement of how intertwined the government and private enterprise are. If you want to be technical, we are not pure Capitalists in America. We are, in fact socialist in many ways. Now, saying that will be considered UnAmerican by many, but the truth is the truth. When the government collects roughly 30% of its peoples' money and has many nationalized industries, including several institutionalized monopolies (like the Post Office), it is socialism, albeit a lesser degree of socialism than, say, Norway. __________________

03-31-2003, 08:30 PM	#3
LordKathen Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Kennewick, WA Age: 53 Posts: 3,166	Wow! That was great TL. I had an argument with a guy about this once. He was very redneckish (is that ok), and was mostly talk, but refused to see exactly what you just stated. The Post office is the best example. __________________

03-31-2003, 08:41 PM	#4
D*Ranged Avatar Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: Wellington ,NZ (I revealed it to people now...) Age: 42 Posts: 585	Well, 4 decades back it would be VERY UN - American (4 political reasons though). Maybe not today. But I can't say for sure. Oh, and Kasrl Marx made a great idealogy in terms of society but the problem was that he forgot to include GREED. __________________ YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN...........

03-31-2003, 08:44 PM	#5
ocelot Dungeon Master Join Date: March 3, 2003 Location: Racine, WI Age: 48 Posts: 58	Hello everyone very good forum is right! I am a newbie but it seems to me that Gov't and any kind of social action is intertwinned very closely. Is The Mark of The Beast so far off? A chip perhaps? What are you feelings? Atrayu said I could be blunt __________________ Flying! (Extreme sports rush.)

03-31-2003, 08:49 PM	#6
LordKathen Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Kennewick, WA Age: 53 Posts: 3,166	Welcome ocelot, to IW. Have fun, be friendly, and read the ToS at the top. __________________

03-31-2003, 08:50 PM	#7
Atrayu The Magister Join Date: June 18, 2002 Location: My sunny terrace Age: 45 Posts: 110	Opps sorry guys, young oppinionated bird - Ill get'em Scratched somebody including my ram. __________________ \"Freedom of the press is gauranteed only to those that own one.\"Liebling

03-31-2003, 09:38 PM	#8
Arvon Unicorn Join Date: October 4, 2001 Location: Kingdom of the West,..P.o. Cynagus Posts: 4,212	No it's not Un-american to believe in communism, but it's been tries a multitude of times here ...all ended in failure. Even China has moved to a market economy. They are heavy communist in the political arena. __________________ 53.7% of all statistics are made up

03-31-2003, 09:40 PM	#9
/)eathKiller Dracolisk Join Date: January 5, 2002 Location: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Age: 39 Posts: 6,043	It has some good sides but has never really been implied properly... Perhaps Pacifism is more the way to go? __________________ [img]\"http://membres.lycos.fr/th8or/ZeroSigForIronworks.gif\" alt=\" - \" /> o.o;

03-31-2003, 11:10 PM	#10
The Lilarcor Elminster Join Date: October 24, 2002 Location: Traveling to wrestle a dangerous Ent Age: 39 Posts: 405	To me there has been only one successful communist government. Its dead except in memory. What I am talking about is the Native Americans, how they lived before their culture was eradicated by us. If you look at Communism, they share everything as a whole, which is what many of the Native American did in their villages, nothing belonged to the individual person but to the whole village. The only reason for Communism to be unamerican (decades ago) was that russia was temporarily a democracy, but then communism got a hold of it and due to radicals and protecting the world for democracy and such. Thats why the united states didn't like it. __________________ ...Since when do you care about me unless I\'m impaled in somethings guts?!

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