07-15-2002, 02:40 PM | #21 |
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you lefties are funny.f.d.r.,the patron saint of the left in america,used the same powers in the second world war.and guess what?we got those rights back.
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07-15-2002, 05:46 PM | #22 | |
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07-15-2002, 05:57 PM | #23 | |
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I understand the argument that some freedoms must be given over to protect the people. I disagree with the idea that this means turning into a fascist state. As for the IRS..... I wonder what would happen if we didn't pay any taxes. I was just thinking about that and it's an interesting dillema. DeSoya
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07-15-2002, 06:02 PM | #24 | |
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I bring this up because if what you say is true and FDR did in fact use detainment as a strategy during WWII then there is precedent for a great deal to happen. We had our own concentration camps here, including one in Colorado that went by the name of Manzanar. I'd rather not see Muslims or anyone else herded into camps to prevent terrorism. There has to be a way to make a few sacrifices with out sacrificing hundreds. DeSoya
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07-15-2002, 07:46 PM | #25 | |
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As for ILLEGAL immigrants , well they can all rot!! It is kind of like being a burgler only on a larger scale. What do you do with a robber in your house?? Most people have them arrested. Illegal immigration is such a huge problem that some states have totaly cut them off from any kind of social programs. I remember a while ago California had a proposition on the ballot called "Prop 81" that basicaly stated that unless you could prove citizenship you couldnt recieve ANY social programs. It cut illegal immigrants off from welfare,public schools and socialized medicine. I totaly agree with that. Why should people who sneak in be allowed to drain the public systems that the rest of the comunity pays for??Its bad enough my taxes feed all the useless mouths on welfare now !! We dont need more from other countries!! Back to terrorism , fighting that is like lashing out at the night. Punching the darkness wont do anything but make you tired and make you look foolish. It cant be helped or realy prevented. I wish my numbskull government would learn from Ireals and Northern Irelands mistakes. Pumping money into anti terrorism campagins is useless!! ALl you can do is deal with it when it happens and try to find the bombers before they set the bombs. Since you can build a basic bomb out of Sugar,lye, and bakeing soda finding bombers is like finding needles in haystacks. If they want to pump money into an anti terrorist campaighn then they should monitor the things used to build bombs, NOT the people.
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07-16-2002, 12:33 AM | #26 | |
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Nice way to fight for freedom. [ 07-16-2002, 12:33 AM: Message edited by: flibulzbuth ]
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07-16-2002, 12:53 AM | #27 |
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The real problem is that these laws do not really help the fight against domestic terrorism. If the police (or FBI, CIA...) has enough knowledge identifying a terrorist, these new laws don't really help. It's just good for racial and political profiling in a mcarthiish way... bolstered by the constent threatening of the population (they'll blow the statue of Liberty... yeah right! as if any terrorist gives a damn about the statue of liberty...)
Even worst, these new laws haven't helped fighting terrorism, but local dissidence. These laws were written long before 9-11. Since Seattle and other such events, the gvt and their supporting lobbies (or better, the lobbies and their supporting gvt) need more muscle and threat to fight against public opposition which scale has been growing alarmingly fast. More or less, the same laws have been passed in Canada after 9-11, thanks to right (liberals) and far-right (reform party). These laws have institutionalized repressive police practices that were usual, but nonetheless not legal. By that i mean: arbitrary imprisonment of manifesting people, not allowing them to access lawyers, unnecessary use of violence and abusing the definition of a "dangerous mob"/"unlawful assembly" (an assembly is a group of 4 or more people).
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