Techie Q

[/)eathKiller]

BTW: when I saw this question it looked like Techi O, and i was thinking: "hmm Techi... maybe he means Tekki, the newest Capcom game about Giant Robots during world war II, err or as they call them "Vertical Tanks" And O stands for Oratariotangram which is just a fancy japanese catch phraise related to robots in general, (Examples: Bangai-O, Gangai-O, Big-O, Gundam O, Virtual On Oratariotangram ect...)

[img]tongue.gif[/img] Well that caught me off guard completley hehe, i was getting ready for my giant robot ranting mode to kick in and now its all going like "phuptubptubptubptupbtpbuptbputbpt..."

[Earthdog]

Hayashi, If youre looking at buying a new computer I think you will get out if it much cheaper if you built it yourself. I know many people that have bought new Dell computers and were VERY unhappy with them. I know a few who bought them and were happy. Memnoch bought a Dell and seems to be happy with it.

I used to work for Hewlett-Packard building their units. Now HP has merged with Compaq and I used to be a Compaq salesman. Personlly I think they are both CRAP. The HP monster servers are AWESOME. Most people dont have $150,000 to spend on a computer though. Those would be the only HP id be interested in. They have 128 6 gig mirrored hard drives. All that basicly means is that if one of the hard drives fails the ones next to it will still be able to read it. Those 6 gig hard drive are worth $1,000 EACH.

If you want a new computer build it yourself and you'll get EXACTLY what you want/need for about a third or half the price.

HP and Compaq both offer "IMPRESSIVE SOFTWARE PACKAGES"

95% OF THE SOFWARE IS CRAP THAT YOU WILL NEVER USE. I wouldnt want to use HP's cd buring software. I prefer Nero. Its lots better. So why pay for software that you have no use for???? You might get 20 programs but the only one youll use is WINDOWS.

I know someone who bought an HP Pavillion 750. When she couldnt figure out how to get the cd burner to actually burn a disc I went over to check it out and see what was wrong with it. Shed been telling me it kept getting "buffer underrun errors" and the burn would fail.

When I got there I hit control alt delete and found, no BS, 37 processes open and running. 33 of them were programs installed by the Recovery cd. She had added 4 of them on her own. She had only ever used 2 of the ones that came with the software package. I uninstalled about 25 of the programs and changed the preferences on the others so that she only had 7 programs opening on bootup. Then I expalained to her that she needed to conrtol alt delete everything but EXPLORER and SYSTRAY befor she attempted to burn a disk.

She hasnt had a single problem since then.

Buy the parts you want to go in it and build your own computer. Compare the prices for parts with the prices of the pre-built units and you will see (amazingly) how much money you can save.

This is my unit:
AMD 1600+xp
ASUS A7A266-E (supports both SD and DDR RAM)
Pioneer 16x DVD ROM
Panasonic 50x cd rom and Floppy
640 meg of DDR RAM (2x256, 1x128) PC2100 233 mhzFSB
TV Tuner card
Decoder card for the DVD player
scroll mouse, keyboard
Creative Vibra 128 sound card
1300 watt speaker system with sub woofer
17 inch monitor
TNT2 m64 video card (for now, look out Geforce 4 Ti 4600 [img]smile.gif[/img] )
Desk and leather computer chair.

I built this for about $1500 Australian. Call it $750 US.
Comparative systems run NO less than $3100 or about $1500 US. And you wont get the desk and really nice chair in the deal either.

Its far cheaper to buy the parts and even pay someone $50 to assemble it than it is to buy a pre-built unit. If you build it yourself youll laugh your ass off every time you see an advertisement for a unit like yours at twice the price. If you buy a unit that someone else built youll fell like crying when you see who much money you could have saved if you had simply bought the parts and done it yourself.

And dont fall for the WARRANTEE sales routine. Any parts you buy will have at least a years warrantee.

I can build TWO computers for the price of ONE Dell HP or Compaq.

Stay away from Compaq... IMHO they are the absolute worst. Id sell ya one if I was on the clock, but if I werent on the clock Id tell you to get something else.

BUILD BUD.

[Hayashi]

Earthdog
Many thanks for your responses. Unfortunately I lack the courage, expertise & time to assemble my own rig. But I take your point - even if I buy from Dell (supposedly cutting out the middleman) I suppose I could tailor make a rig for about the same price, if not less.

My concerns about putting togther my own rig are:
- motherboard. What would work with the CPU I decide to get?
- power supply. Don't want to fry the internals when I first switch on the power. Plus, would it be adequate for what's in the rig?
- how to choose components that are reliable but inexpensive (doesn't have to be top of the line). When I went shopping after my CD-ROM died, I was bewildered by the number of choices available.
- cooling. I live in the tropics, and heat buildup in the internals is a real issue. I don't want to put up my own rig and have the whole thing heat up more than if someone else did it.

I suppose I'll consider having a custom-made rig. The only snag is finding a reliable vendor who can do the job properly.

BTW, if your earlier post you mentioned RAMBUS. What is that? I gather that DDR RAM and PC800 RAM are different types of RAM technologies, with one cheaper & the other faster. Is PC800=RAMBUS?

[MILAMBER]

The PC800 is a Rambus type chip. It has better memory bandwidth than the DDR does. PC1066 just came out, but it's harder to come by. The only company making it right now is Kingston. If you go the DDR route, the best you can get is DDR333. Unfortunately, Intel doesn't have any chipset that can take advantage of the full 333x2 memory bandwidth. If you decide to overclock you will be able to use it though. Try and find memory with the lowest latency possible. CAS 2.5 is average, but if you can find 2.0 then you will notice a definite difference. The 850 chipset is the Intel chipset that uses the Rambus memory chips, and the 845 chipset either uses DDR or SDRAM. DON'T get SDRAM for your P4. If you don't presently have a P4 and have to buy that as well, be sure you get one of the Northwood P4's. They are designated by an "A" at the end of their name. For a budget, the 1.6A P4 is a great chip to get because on the average you can overclock it to 2.4 Ghz. with stock air cooling.

As far as video cards go, all I can say is don't get any MX series card. They all pretty much blow. The GF3 Ti series is good, but if I were you I'd go with the GF4 Ti 4200 for the cost. Either that or the ATI Radeon 8500. They are both significantly more advanced and are pretty inexpensive. You can find the 8500 for around $100.00 and the 4200 for under $150.00.

Honestly if I were you I'd wait a couple of months. There is some really cool stuff coming out in the near future and it will significantly drop prices on the stuff you are currently looking at. It seems like you are an Intel fan, so that being the case, wait until the new 533 mhz bus architecture works its way down to some of the slower chips. Look for the "E" designation after the end of the chipset number. That will mean it supports the new bus speed. Also, we are on the verge of a whole new slew of graphics cards. We have the Nvidia NV 30 and NV 25 coming out soon, and we also have the ATI R300 and R250 coming out soon. Those will both dramaticall effect prices on current equipment and they will offer newer faster alternatives.

If you must buy now and you are on a budget, I'd get a P4 1.6A Northwood with an Abit or Asus MB running the 845E chipset. I would get at least 512 mb of DDR333 made by either Samsung, Corsair, or Crucial. For video I would go with the GF4 Ti 4200. Just do me a favor and DON'T get an MX card.

If you want the best prices on hardware you can get, check out Newegg.com. They sell the new stuff for about as cheap as you can get it.

[Earthdog]

Hayashi,

You need to start by deciding what brand of CPU you want and that will eliminate half of the confusion about motherboards. Personally I buy AMD processors. All the new AMD processors are socket A.

From there I recommend buying the latest magazines that have motherboard reviews. I bought one about 8 months ago and read all the reviews and even though MSI and Soltek made the two fastest for my CPU I decided on the ASUS A7A266-E. The reason for this was that when I got to where I could afford DDR SDRAM I wouldnt have to get ANOTHER mainboard since is supports both types of SDRAM.

The MSI board I read the review on was the fastest on the market according the the magazine, but It was a little out of my price range and also the convenience wasnt there (didnt have the two types of ram support). Soltek ran a very close second but the drawback to it was that it only had 3 PCI slots.. that doesnt let you plug in many add-ons.

As far as cooling goes you can go to the website of the CPU or mainboard manufacturer and they will tell you the brands of fans and heatsinks that theyve tested and approved for a particular chip or board. I think the one I got was a CoolerMaster, but I wont swear to that. The one I got can handle up to (maybe even higher) 1.8 Ghz. A good knowledgable salesman will also be able to tell you which ones would be good for your new processor.

If youve recently bought a cd-rom then thats one thing you dont need to replace. I wouldnt replace the floppy either unless its going bad.

Use as many parts of your old system as you can---and save money not having to buy them. If were you though, Id lose the old SD RAM and get DDR RAM (and a board that supports it). Maybe youve got a little brother or sister that would like to have some of your old parts that you cant use

And as I recommended before, buy the parts and pay someone at a computer shop to put it all together for you, youll still come out cheaper in the long run. Hope all this helps bud [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Epona]

Originally posted by Earthdog: Hayashi, If youre looking at buying a new computer I think you will get out if it much cheaper if you built it yourself.

Earthdog, you're right, it is cheaper to build your own - but only if you have some idea of what your doing! My first attempt was not trouble-free, took me a month to get the thing working! I saved a lot of cash (the whole kit & caboodle cost me around £500 for a PC that would have cost me £1500 to buy) but ended up with a month of tinkering and a headache, after which I was left with a feeling of smug satisfaction, so it wasn't all bad! I'm no techie genius, but I am a very practical 'hands on' person.