Hating Illegals

[Havock]

Originally posted by PurpleXVI: Very well, then, let me change my post to just one series of questions for Havock. How old are you? What is your ethnicity? What is your work history? And what is your education history?

age: 32
ethnicity:1st generation Italian BOTH of my paretns are naturalized CITIZENS. i.e. they did it the legal way and didn't sneak in like a thief in the night.

work history: I have worked since I was 16. I have never been on welfare, I never needed to go to college and I always pay my taxes

education history: high school grad and self taught chef

I am not a spoiled rich kid just a citizen who is tired of seeing his country abused by invaders.

[PurpleXVI]

So only the wellbeing of your country matters? Not whether these people starve?

[Luvian]

I think what Havock meant is that people that are not willing to help themselves don't deserve our help.

I have worked as a volunteer for a year and an half in a soup kitchen/grocery handout based in the basement of my local cathedral. I can honestly tell you that most people that visited had no real physical or mental disabilities that prevented them from bettering their lives. They simply chose to live in those conditions for whatever reasons. Some were just too lazy and inactive to go out and find work. Others were drug/alcohol/gambling addicts that preferred to invest all their money in those instead of food etc. They could chose to help themselves and better their lives, but they prefer the less efforts way of letting other people care for them.

Now, I'm not saying we should let them starve to death, but are we really helping these people, or are we encouraging their excesses?

[PurpleXVI]

Addictions don't count as mental disabilities? Sure they do. Some people can get over those things with just their own willpower, but others need serious help.

And don't think of it as helping them, think of it as helping yourselves. If the guy on the streetcorner needs money for his drugs, or just to eat, and he's not getting them from a job, or from the government, what's left? Mugging some other poor bastard.

Additionally, I think it's probably pretty *edit* crushing to be that far down. I know I can hardly fathom what would be necessary to climb up from that level. Where do you start when you don't even have a place to live? When you can't feed yourself? Who would hire you?

Careful with the language, please.

[ 01-26-2007, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]

[robertthebard]

So that justifies taking your living from somebody else? Because that's what I read into this. Let's put it in perspective, my foreman, out of sheer spite one day, had a friend in an official looking car come on to our job site and yell Immigration, as loud as he could in Spanish, while waving his wallet around. There had been 15 people on the job, when the smoke cleared, figuratively speaking, there were 3. 12 of the guys on the job were roofers, and all of them were illegal. I had a buddy that was rotating out three crews to keep his guys working, because he couldn't get enough jobs installing new roofs. I wonder why.
It seems to me that what your advocating is that it would be ok for me to come to your country, and force you to change your native language to mine, and overlook my illegal activities, just because I'm poor, and trying to eat.
When you can go to the local grocery store, and can't read the sign for food, or other products, because it's in a foreign language, come talk to me about immigration problems. When people are trying change everything about your country to be their country, instead of adapting themselves to your culture, come talk to me, until then, what do you really know? Just what you read. What you feel about the topic means very little to me, since you aren't living it every day. I am on Welfare, I have to be, I can't work, can't be in a decently lit room for an extended period w/out severe headaches, and all my paperwork comes in English, and in Spanish. Can somebody explain to me why a non-Hispanic Caucasian male needs paperwork in Spanish? Can somebody else explain to me why there seems to be a need to pass a law against granting non-citizens food stamps/cash assistance. I'll tell you this, the illegal immigrants seem to get the benefits faster than I do.

[Bithron]

I'm against EU, it makes it easier for invaders to invade, but I think a good idea would be to form a EU-ish system with only nordic countries... But, just to stick on topic: Fifth option. Big high wall and land mine along the border. Border guards with orders to KOS. SUPPORTED!

[PurpleXVI]

Okay, you know what? Let's say all of the illegal immigrants immediately left. Tell me what happens next. I'd like to hear how YOU imagine it. I'd like to hear what consequences you imagine and what improvements you imagine.

Um. Currently a lot of Scandinavia NEEDS workers, hell, our economy would probably say bye-bye without the illegals filling a lot of niches. I also cannot see any reason to be so selfish as to refuse to share our wealth with a few unfortunate souls when all is going as well for us as it is.

I can sorta understand the US, I mean, they're going somewhat downhill at the moment, very nasty situation. They just want to roll up and lick their wounds. But Scandinavia? We lack nothing. Everything is going wonderfully for our economy. I'd rather sacrifice a bit of my financial wellbeing to keep some illegal immigrants alive rather than let them starve because I'm a penny-pincher.

[ 01-26-2007, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: PurpleXVI ]

[johnny]

Again i have to agree with Timber, i hate illegals too. Illegals is not even a correct name, it should be unwanted golddiggers.

[robertthebard]

I just want to call attention one more time to the term illegal. It doesn't matter why you break a law, if you break one, you break one. In the case of being across a country's border illegally, there are some countries that will shoot you, or make you wish they had. For example, try getting caught illegally in Mexico, for example.

[PurpleXVI]

Illegality does not necessarily equal immorality or unethicality.

Additionally, what does Mexico's stance on it matter? If anything, the fact that their country is more brutal supports their attempts at seeking "asylum" in the US.

And I repeat myself: Why hate the illegals? They're just trying to put food on the table. Hate the people who give them a reason to go to your countries. Hate the businesses who are willing to jeopardize the well-being of the country and it's job market for the sake of turning a slightly better profit. Hate the people who do it for all these superficial reasons. Don't hate the people who're just trying to survive and do better than they could at home.