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Old 04-03-2003, 09:57 PM   #11
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Same Same [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] One only has to think back to president Carter's well intentioned but embarrassing attempt to free hostages in Iran The U.S. military has come a long way [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Yeah, that and the fact that I lived on Oahu in 1980-1981 and was friends with/related to a lot of people in the service then...alcoholics, pot-heads, drug addicts, dead-beats...I came home frightened for our safety and remained that way until now.

The (many) young people I know now or have met in the past four years who are enlisted are impressive and intelligent, dedicated and confident, something that was not so apparent way back when...I thank God and the military themselves for the changes in our society and in our enlisted personnel's training and treatment.
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Old 04-03-2003, 10:15 PM   #12
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Is that right? I would be suprised if there was not some combo but you might be right. Having said you are right but also the use of flares and other unknown toys I am sure could be used.

War like WWII etc are pretty much over. I mean with the power of sophisticated bombs and the scary threat of a nuke it really makes a world war different. Something like normandy will never be repeated. On a smaller scale like the Iraqi conflict it is really overwhelming. The hardest part is still to come and no war is without tragedy. It could have been MUCH worse. More have died in accidents of faulty equipment then by the enemy. With them trying to get us to massacre their own people they can only hold up a handful of cases. We have bombed day and night and people are still riding around because the weapon strikes are that on target. It has been very impressive. I am sure others have taken notice.

It just may come to that in our lifetime but if it does I would rather be no other place.

Nice cats btw , I got three myself.
From what I understand from my room mate (honorably discharged 4 years ago) yes, but that doesn't mean that I am right, as there could be some combination as you suggest either produced or in the making.

There are a lot of flares over Baghdad tonight.

I can't comprehend a total world war until we, as the human race, have expired all of our resources and end up fighting over food and fertile land. Of course I can't speak for the Chinese or North Korean perspective of the U.S. and whatever power we are seen to have by the rest of the world, but like you, there's no other place I'd rather be.

Three cats! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Cool. Want another one? [img]graemlins/evillaughter2.gif[/img]
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Old 04-03-2003, 10:32 PM   #13
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I am one cat away from losing my sanity. The buggers follow me around as it is. They are more spoiled then most children.

Fighting over food and land. Now that is a scary possibility. I think by that time people will have no choice but to eat biofood. It can be grown very quick. As much as I may not like the idea it might not be a choice.

I am sure we will both be long gone though before most of these problems begin to manifest. It is a very interesting time none-the-less. Sometimes it goes so fast all we can do is hold on
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Old 04-03-2003, 10:44 PM   #14
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Thanks for the offer [img]smile.gif[/img]

I am one cat away from losing my sanity. The buggers follow me around as it is. They are more spoiled then most children.

Fighting over food and land. Now that is a scary possibility. I think by that time people will have no choice but to eat biofood. It can be grown very quick. As much as I may not like the idea it might not be a choice.

I am sure we will both be long gone though before most of these problems begin to manifest. It is a very interesting time none-the-less. Sometimes it goes so fast all we can do is hold on
I understand. [img]smile.gif[/img] We are ten over my personal preference as well...they are like kids....spoiled toddlers who follow you around, tugging on your leg and whining for attention...I thank goodness that no two of ours ever do it at the same time and that they rarely all do it on the same day or I would surely lose my mind.

Biofood and soy products...I read a book (can't remember the title) by Salem Kirban when I was in High School (late seventies) that seems to have been a look into our future...it scared the crap outta me lol. I'll see if I can find the title and edit it into this post. [img]smile.gif[/img]
I am hoping to be long gone by then...I keep saying that if I live to be sixty I am going to be pissed but I am nowhere near ready to let go of the life that I live and enjoy so much.

What is to come beyond the days of this present conflict intrigues greatly me for some reason...its like I feel something big coming...maybe I am just looking or hoping for some major changes in mankind that truly do give hope to everyone. [img]smile.gif[/img]

EDIT: It had to have been 666/1000 or Countdown to Rapture...our mom bought a lot of books that she made us read when she used to make us go to church....Jesus' propaganda machine lol...she did good.

books by Salem Kirban

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Old 04-04-2003, 04:35 AM   #15
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Lil Lil you need a cat scan

Back on topic though [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I've just seen the footage of the U.S. marine commander who outside the Ali mosque was confronted by an angry crowd gathered to protect their most holy of places. What a call to hold his gun upside down and to order his troops to smile and kneel. This is the sort of leader you need in hot tense situations. I foresee a medal and promotion for him in the not so distant future. Thinks of Somalia and realises that the military is learning fast. Shudders to think what a "hothead" would have done, and the carnage that could have resulted.
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Old 04-04-2003, 05:58 AM   #16
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Iraqi officials have been using loudspeakers throughout Baghdad, telling their citizens to leave their homes and to head in the direction of the Saddam International Airport.
Actually it was the coalition, they wanted to clear the building of civilians to assist their attack.
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I don't believe that night vision goggles and gas masks can be worn at the same time. This puts the coalition forces at a disadvantage during the night-time hours but its not as if the sun will never rise over Baghdad again.
The power was lost during a US/UK raid. The Iraqi's have never cut power before during the daily raids - it would be strange for them to suddenly do it now. More likely the coaliton did it to give themselves the 'night vision' advantage.

Shame about the people in Bagdad's hospitals though...
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Old 04-04-2003, 10:39 AM   #17
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Shame on any hospital without backup power generation capability. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 04-04-2003, 02:04 PM   #18
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Skunk, me thinks you've had no kind words for the coalition forces at all.

That said. I think it's been a phenomenal sucess thus far! Hates off to the American, British, Australian and Kurdish forces in and around Iraq!
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Old 04-04-2003, 02:26 PM   #19
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Shame on any hospital without backup power generation capability.
Almost no hospital in Iraq has a generator (thanks to sanctions) but just about every hospital in Iraq has a supply of car batteries to serve as backup in power cuts - but they don't last long.
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Old 04-04-2003, 04:45 PM   #20
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Shame on any hospital without backup power generation capability.
Almost no hospital in Iraq has a generator (thanks to sanctions) but just about every hospital in Iraq has a supply of car batteries to serve as backup in power cuts - but they don't last long. [/QUOTE]Because most of their power has been wasted torturing people...yeah its a shame about the people in Bagdad's hospitals...

Coalition forces did not cut the power nor did they tell the citizens to go leave their homes and move toward the airport. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

As it is the Fedayeen has moved themselves into these people's homes to place themselves in protected areas closer to the airport.

I need a cat scan LOL! You know, I think I do!
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