WAR MISCALCULATIONS

[Thoran]

Originally posted by Animal: The National Domestic Violence Hotline has received more than 700,000 calls for assistance since February 1996. – National Domestic Violence Hotline, December 2001 Nearly one-third of American women (31 percent) report being physically or sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives. –Commonwealth Fund survey, 1998

I believe that was a Canadian survey... and the same survey found that slightly MORE men (33% or so if memory serves) reported being abused by their female partener during the same period. Of course the feminists won't be publicising that little detail will they?

It is estimated that 503,485 women are stalked by an intimate partner each year in the United States. – National Institute of Justice, July 2000 Estimates range from 960,000 incidents of violence against a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend each year to 4 million women who are physically abused by their husbands or live-in partners each year. – Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends, U.S. Department of Justice, March, 1998

This from an online source:

From http://www.ejfi.org/DV/dv-2.htm To their credit, despite their assumptions that men were the abusers, every domestic violence survey done of both sexes over the next quarter century in the U.S. Canada, England, New Zealand and Australia — more than 50 of which are annotated in the Appendix — found one of two things: Women and men batter each other about equally, or women batter men more. In addition, almost all studies found women were more likely to initiate violence, and much more likely to inflict the severe violence. Women themselves acknowledged they are more likely to be violent and to be the initiators of violence. Finally, women were more likely to engage in severe violence that was not reciprocated. The larger and better-designed the study, the more likely the finding that women were significantly more violent.

Studies show that child abuse occurs in 30-60% of family violence cases that involve families with children. – "The overlap between child maltreatment and woman battering." J.L. Edleson, Violence Against Women, February, 1999

As I said before, 2/3 of child abuse is mother against child, and this is another instance where omission of fact is used by feminists to infer guilt on the part of men... even when they should be accepting responsibility and working to protect our children. Feminist politics trumps all.

While women are less likely than men to be victims of violent crimes overall, women are 5 to 8 times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate partner. – Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends, U.S. Department of Justice, March, 1998 Violence by an intimate partner accounts for about 21% of violent crime experienced by women and about 2 % of the violence experienced by men. – Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends, U.S. Department of Justice, March, 1998 In 92% of all domestic violence incidents, crimes are committed by men against women. – Violence Against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, January, 1994 Of women who reported being raped and/or physically assaulted since the age of 18, three quarters (76 percent) were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabitating partner, date or boyfriend. – Prevalence Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, U.S. Department of Justice, November, 1998 In 1994, women separated from their spouses had a victimization rate 1 1/2 times higher than separated men, divorced men, or divorced women. – Sex Differences in Violent Victimization, 1994, U.S. Department of Justice, September, 1997 In 1996, among all female murder victims in the U.S., 30% were slain by their husbands or boyfriends. – Uniform Crime Reports of the U.S. 1996, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1996 31,260 women were murdered by an intimate from 1976-1996. – Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends, U.S. Department of Justice, March, 1998

The 1998 DOJ report has been widely criticised as being heavily biased, and crime based statistics are suspect at best: http://www.dirittoefamiglia.it/Docs/.../DVFANCY98.htm

A child’s exposure to the father abusing the mother is the strongest risk factor for transmitting violent behavior from one generation to the next. – Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family, APA, 1996

To complete the feminist sound bite of information above... from the same report:

The researchers found clear evidence for a "cycle of violence" among men and women--with childhood exposure to family violence increasing the likelihood of either instigating or being the victim of violence as an adult. However, in the current issue of the Journal of Marriage and Family, the authors point out that gender appeared to affect how this cycle played out. Women who had both witnessed violence between their parents and were victims of parental abuse themselves were twice as likely to abuse their partner or children than mothers exposed to only one or the other. Women appeared to be most greatly influenced by their mother's behavior. The likelihood a woman would abuse her child rose, they noted, with every witnessed incident in which their mother had attacked their father. Also, the investigators found that each incident increased the likelihood that a woman would abuse her partner by 6%. In the case of men, however, Heyman and Slep observed that while exposure to childhood violence was also associated with current partner and child abuse, the likelihood of such abuse was not diminished if the father had witnessed only one form of parental abuse. On the other hand, exposure to multiple forms of childhood violence did increase the likelihood that men would become victims of partner abuse. Each act of abuse by the man's father and mother raised the likelihood of being the victim of current partner abuse by about 10%. This violence association held for women as well, with every act of abuse by the woman's mother raising the likelihood of being the victim of current partner abuse by 35%, the report indicates. Men appeared to be most greatly influenced by their father's behavior. Each time a man had witnessed his father attacking his mother, the likelihood he would abuse a child or partner rose by 13% and 8%, respectively.

Domestic violence is not a gender issue... it is a society issue.

Forty percent of teenage girls age 14 to 17 report knowing someone their age who has been hit or beaten by a boyfriend. – Children Now/Kaiser Permanente poll, December, 1995 Females accounted for 39% of the hospital emergency department visits for violence-related injuries in 1994 but 84% of the persons treated for injuries inflicted by intimates.– Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends, U.S. Department of Justice, March, 1998 Family violence costs the nation from $5 to $10 billion annually in medical expenses, police and court costs, shelters and foster care, sick leave, absenteeism, and non-productivity. – Medical News, American Medical Association, January, 1992 Husbands and boyfriends commit 13,000 acts of violence against women in the workplace every year.– Violence and Theft in the Workplace, U.S. Department of Justice, July, 1994 The majority of welfare recipients have experienced domestic abuse in their adult lives and a high percentage are currently abused. – Trapped by Poverty, Trapped by Abuse: New Evidence Documenting the Relationship Between Domestic Violence and Welfare, The Taylor Institute, April, 1997 One in five female high school students reports being physically or sexually abused by a dating partner. – Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Survey (YRBS), August 2001 "Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" I'm not sure how this got so far off topic, but we are in no position to judge Iraqis with statistics like those.

Feminists seem pretty good at throwing stones, even if they have to fabricate them on the spot.

If you want to SEE for yourself the reality of gender violence in the US, all you have to do is watch TV. Count the number of times a woman strikes a man, and the number of times a man strikes a woman on television. Watch your generic sitcom, how many times does a guy get slapped or punched. Watch CHILDRENS programming... next time you see "Jimmie Neutron" count the number of times volence is instigated or threatened by a girl. These shows reflect the situation many young men find themselves in today, victems of unchecked female agression... and all because feminists have convinced us that violence is a "male" problem. Bullshit.

No society is perfect, but the pervasive use of poor sampling methods, advocacy research, and out and out LYING (remember the "Super Bowl Sunday Leading day for Domestic Violence" headlines?... TOTAL FABRICATION) on the part of feminists has undermined their argument to the point where EVERY report must be carefully scrutinized.

[ 04-07-2003, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Thoran ]

[Skunk]

there are no clean hands in this world.

And that makes it right then does it? So when a guy stands before the judge, pleads guilty to raping and beating a woman to death, he should get off because "Other people do the same sort of thing"????

This "He did it so I can too" is a playground argument.
But if you want to carry on the fray, I suggest that we move on to the 'General Discussion' section as we are now so far off topic that Pluto is easy to see without a telescope...

[Thoran]

Originally posted by Masklinn: Please do, as well as an accurate definition of Domestic Violences.

Sorry again for the sidebar...

I suggest you start with the links I include above... the first includes a full biblio., and the second has a number of referenced works. I'll add some more refences shortly.

DV DEFNIITION - Well if you happen to be from Ohio:

Domestic Violence: Definition of Domestic Violence Question: What is the criminal definition of domestic violence in Ohio? Answer: The offender must: a. Knowingly cause or attempt to cause physical harm to a family or household member; b. Recklessly cause serious physical harm to a family or household member; or c. Knowingly cause a family or household member to believe that the abuser will cause imminent physical harm to the family or household member. R.C. 2919.25.

[ 04-07-2003, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: Thoran ]

[Timber Loftis]

Comparing the repression of women by a whole society on a macro level, not to mention the fact it is government-sponsored, to individual domestic violence incidents is silly. Moreover, it only proves the point: we struggle to address abuse as a humanitarian concern in every civilized country, so we should be rightfully abhorrent of these practices in a foreign nation.

[Thoran]

Originally posted by Skunk: [QBAnd that makes it right then does it? So when a guy stands before the judge, pleads guilty to raping and beating a woman to death, he should get off because "Other people do the same sort of thing"???? This "He did it so I can too" is a playground argument. But if you want to carry on the fray, I suggest that we move on to the 'General Discussion' section as we are now so far off topic that Pluto is easy to see without a telescope...[/QB]

LOL! You requested the information, and I provided... so any conclusion you might draw regarding it's relevance, or the "playground" nature of it reflect far more on the validity of your question. I made no moral judgment on anything except the "pureness" of the EU position and they idea that they aren't playing by the same rules that the US is playing by.

[Mordenheim]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Comparing the repression of women by a whole society on a macro level, not to mention the fact it is government-sponsored, to individual domestic violence incidents is silly. Moreover, it only proves the point: we struggle to address abuse as a humanitarian concern in every civilized country, so we should be rightfully abhorrent of these practices in a foreign nation.

What I have been saying. You can't argue with this type of mentality. I give up. Comparing is beyond absurd but some will do ANYTHING to defend something that can not be defended.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Skunk: Quote: there are no clean hands in this world.

And that makes it right then does it? So when a guy stands before the judge, pleads guilty to raping and beating a woman to death, he should get off because "Other people do the same sort of thing"????

This "He did it so I can too" is a playground argument.
But if you want to carry on the fray, I suggest that we move on to the 'General Discussion' section as we are now so far off topic that Pluto is easy to see without a telescope...[/QUOTE]He should suffer the punishment! NOW for you Just because others are doing it should we not try and stop it? It has to stop somewhere, and it has to start somewhere We chose Iraq! You can't have it BOTH ways I'll not let you get away with it!

[Skunk]

We set the example and help others to follow it - and then kick them when they do.

Some are more equal than others, eh? [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Animal]

Originally posted by Luvian: So Animal, why is Bush doing it? I have an opinion, but I was not able to read his mind to know for sure. Can I get your opinion as a psychic?

Do you honestly believe that this is all about WoMD?

Is the US really that paranoid?

I don't know for sure why Bush is doing it, but I'm quite sure it's got absolutely nothing to do with his stated reasons and that becomes clearly and clearly every day.

The Bush administrations' foreign policy is somewhat...selfish shall we say. The supposed WoMD that Saddam may or may not have possesed could not possible reach US soil, so why would he put US lives on the line to subdue a threat to the US homeland, that isn't a threat?

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Skunk: We set the example and help others to follow it - and then kick them when they do. Some are more equal than others, eh? [img]smile.gif[/img]

NO, no body said that there are more equal then others.
Now answer my question, not the question you think or want to answer, but rather the question asked as it is.