Have His Way - Page 2

johnny · 03-09-2003, 08:53 PM

Either that, or start arming the Japanese, so that they can defend themselves.

Djinn Raffo · 03-09-2003, 09:01 PM

Japanese already have a large army. Although it is technically called a defense force. I believe it is over two hundred and fifty thousand strong and is bigger than Britains army. But im not sure if they have any type of air or naval power. They are definetly able to defend themselves and have stated that if they believe the threat is strong and real.. they will pre-emptively strike.

[ 03-09-2003, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

johnny · 03-09-2003, 09:06 PM

I didn't know the Japanese had such a big army. But i doubt they have an airforce, or a navy. And you're definitely gonna need that to get to the Korean peninsula. On the other hand, i'm not too sure if it's a smart thing to turn Japan into a powerhouse. As we all know, they can be quite agressive themselves, that's just the nature of that race. They're born fighters.

the new JR Jansen · 03-09-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Djinn Raffo:
if they believe the threat is strong and real.. they will pre-emptively strike.

That's actually what i'm afraid off, if this thing between the US and Iraq takes the road it's seemingly going. Who can stop them if they US now defies the UN ? What legal basis do we have then.

And a pre-emptive strike is an oxymoron.

Djinn Raffo · 03-09-2003, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the new JR Jansen:
That's actually what i'm afraid off, if this thing between the US and Iraq takes the road it's seemingly going. Who can stop them if they US now defies the UN ? What legal basis do we have then.

And a pre-emptive strike is an oxymoron.

I agree 100%

Davros · 03-10-2003, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by skywalker:
Seems very likely that Bush will have his War. I wonder what will happen during and because of it. I wish I could see the future, but then again, I'm not so sure I'd like what I see.

I sincerely hope that Bush and his group know what they are doing, because this pebble in the puddle will cause ripples that will be felt throughout the World and for the foreseeable future.

Never has the rest of the World been so helpless in a conflict as they may be now.

We shall see and we shall live through whatever this War brings us.

Peace on earth, good will toward all.

Mark

Hi Mark,

One thing that I will regret to see change (but something that I believe is inevitable) is that future generations of school children around the world will come to see this war as an act of US agression because it chose to make its own rules and act without UN endorsement (the schoolyard bully taking the lunch money). As right as I may personally believe the cause against Sadman is, I think that the Bush administration has mishandled this badly, and the reputation of the US is likely to be forever tarnished as a result (that is if it decides that UN backing is immaterial). Of the demographics of Australia that I saw a couple of days ago, this war has about 35% support in the over 40 age bracket, and something like 2% in the 13-18's.

My view of the US is one of friendly relations and happy associations. I wonder what the consensus view will be in the 20-50 years later period when todays school children become tomorrows leaders and captains of industry.

Bush will be today's winner - and the losers will be the UN and Saddam, and, inevitably, the US's reputation. I expect there are many from the US (particularly from the Bush camp) who will disagree very much with my last point, but debate as they most assuredly will - history will be the truest judge of all. As I said before - it's one I hope time proves me wrong on.

Djinn Raffo · 03-10-2003, 12:16 PM

That is a really good point Davros.

Ronn_Bman · 03-10-2003, 12:52 PM

If Saddam is deposed and a Democratic Iraq is created, and if there isn't a massive bloodbath in the process, I think history will look kindly on a second Gulf War.

Ronn_Bman · 03-10-2003, 01:03 PM

Mark, the way I see it Saddam will have "his war". The one he's been asking for since shortly after the ceasefire in '91.

As to the peace process and the breakdown of the UN, what exactly were the nations that so desire a longer period of time for inspectors doing to deal with Iraq before Bush made the push? What had those nations done since '98? Based on their actions or lack of actions during the time after inspectors were withdrawn I don't believe those nations really care about more inspections or even the goals of inspections. If they really cared, where was the push from France, German, Russia, and China for inspections then? They are certainly united on a position and seem sure that they know the answer now, but I think the answer they've come up with is based on nothing more than opposing the US. Why weren't they doing something before?

03-10-2003, 02:08 PM

"Have his way".... why is it that the anti-war people in the USA seem to sound and look a lot like the people who were very disappointed that Gore lost the election? Where were they protesting when certain parties bombed asprin factories and used multi-million dollar cruise missiles to blow up $30 tents in the desert? Previous administration had the chance to head off much of this, and didn't. I don't think it is really right to get all gloomy and despondant because someone is finally actually doing something.

03-09-2003, 08:53 PM	#11
johnny 40th Level Warrior Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: Utrecht The Netherlands Age: 59 Posts: 16,981	Either that, or start arming the Japanese, so that they can defend themselves. __________________

03-09-2003, 09:06 PM	#13
johnny 40th Level Warrior Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: Utrecht The Netherlands Age: 59 Posts: 16,981	I didn't know the Japanese had such a big army. But i doubt they have an airforce, or a navy. And you're definitely gonna need that to get to the Korean peninsula. On the other hand, i'm not too sure if it's a smart thing to turn Japan into a powerhouse. As we all know, they can be quite agressive themselves, that's just the nature of that race. They're born fighters. __________________

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Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 58 Posts: 5,177	If Saddam is deposed and a Democratic Iraq is created, and if there isn't a massive bloodbath in the process, I think history will look kindly on a second Gulf War. __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-10-2003, 01:03 PM	#19
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 58 Posts: 5,177	Mark, the way I see it Saddam will have "his war". The one he's been asking for since shortly after the ceasefire in '91. As to the peace process and the breakdown of the UN, what exactly were the nations that so desire a longer period of time for inspectors doing to deal with Iraq before Bush made the push? What had those nations done since '98? Based on their actions or lack of actions during the time after inspectors were withdrawn I don't believe those nations really care about more inspections or even the goals of inspections. If they really cared, where was the push from France, German, Russia, and China for inspections then? They are certainly united on a position and seem sure that they know the answer now, but I think the answer they've come up with is based on nothing more than opposing the US. Why weren't they doing something before? __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-09-2003, 09:01 PM	#12
Djinn Raffo Ra Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: Ant Hill Age: 50 Posts: 2,397	Japanese already have a large army. Although it is technically called a defense force. I believe it is over two hundred and fifty thousand strong and is bigger than Britains army. But im not sure if they have any type of air or naval power. They are definetly able to defend themselves and have stated that if they believe the threat is strong and real.. they will pre-emptively strike. [ 03-09-2003, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

03-10-2003, 12:16 PM	#17
Djinn Raffo Ra Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: Ant Hill Age: 50 Posts: 2,397	That is a really good point Davros.

03-10-2003, 02:08 PM	#20
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	"Have his way".... why is it that the anti-war people in the USA seem to sound and look a lot like the people who were very disappointed that Gore lost the election? Where were they protesting when certain parties bombed asprin factories and used multi-million dollar cruise missiles to blow up $30 tents in the desert? Previous administration had the chance to head off much of this, and didn't. I don't think it is really right to get all gloomy and despondant because someone is finally actually doing something.

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