Anthrax in USA? - Page 2

Mouse · 10-08-2001, 05:29 PM

At the moment, there is no evidence that terrorism had anything to do with this outbreak. For those that wish to know more here is some info on the disease. Lets not jump to conclusions over this, especially as the USA is not an anthrax free country.

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Elif Godson · 10-08-2001, 05:31 PM

2 people that work for THE SUN I think it's a news paper
down by Miami. If I have heard correctly (3rd hand, the worst)
They have shut them down and are screening the rest off the
Employee's. This is not confirmed yet.

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SSJ4Sephiroth · 10-08-2001, 05:31 PM

hmm, i havent heard anything about it... but then again, the news here is crap! but i'm not scared anyways... that would be doing what they want me to do.

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Lord of Alcohol · 10-08-2001, 06:33 PM

Jabidas, do you know the author of that book? I tried looking it up but couldnt find it. I wanted to check it out.

Epona · 10-08-2001, 07:08 PM

Hold up jumping to conclusions folks. I know a bit about anthrax.

The bacteria can remain alive in the ground for centuries. It can also survive in the concrete of buildings. Kings Cross station in London has Anthrax bacteria deep within the walls for example.

Farm workers are most likely to come into contact with it (it is a livestock disease), and anyone who digs up the ground - archaeologists, construction workers etc. also runs a risk. Or anyone who works in a building with the bacteria in the concrete - if a wall becomes damaged there is a slight chance that spores could be released. These are the main ways of contracting pulmonary anthrax (ie. Anthrax breathed in as opposed to ingested or absorbed through the skin.)

Unfortunately pulmonary anthrax is also the most likely to be fatal - fortunately it is extremely rare. I hope the other workers in the building are being checked - they should be in isolation and be disinfected - they then have to take certain drugs at fairly high doses to kill any potential infection before the symptoms show.

Yes this is a horrible disease, but very unlikely to come from a terrorist source.

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Ladyzekke · 10-08-2001, 07:11 PM

Well contracting Anthrax naturally from animals is a VERY rare thing. To have two people get it working in the same building is suspicious. Not to mention the "timing." Of course, it really could be just a coincidence, albeit a very BIG one. Either way, the way I see it, is if there ARE still some terrorists residing in the U.S., their power has been hugely reduced now. No way they are going to hijack a plane again, and they know it. No access to labs or distribution from other labs overseas, etc. either. But who knows what some of them have on hand from before the attacks. Some may have Anthrax specimens, but I really don't think it would be much if so, and we really don't have to fear an epidemic from this instance. Hopefully we will find out 100% soon.

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10-08-2001, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Avatar:
I just heard on skynews that there is a 2nd report of anthrax in USA??
What's going on?

In Florida--WHERE I AM! It was found in the "The Sun" Gossip paper. DON'T TOUCH THE PAPER at the store. the germ COULD have been mixed with the paper, thats what I think they would do.. just don't take the risks...

We're not near where it was found, so we're fine.. just hope the CDC finds and cleans this up QUICK.. I think many more cases will pop up though

. This CAN'T be a coincidence... It was 1976 the last time it was found in Florida..

Keep an eye on www.drudgereport.com for the latest -- he had this story a day before it broke on CNN..

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Wulfere · 10-08-2001, 07:35 PM

Ok folks...I have been trained in chemical and Biological warfare.

1. Bio weapons are not very reliable. They have much less lethality than you might expect and are not nearly as virulent as many scare books and newsies report. Unless some one has managed to genetically alter a virus or bacterium
Drastically they die quickly in exposed conditions.
2. The methods for dissemination are basically the same as for chemical weapons.
Those being spray drom dispensers on aircraft or vehicle foggers. The other being explosive dissemination. An alternative might be pouring contagion into a water supply, but many municipalities chorlinate their water. I know mine does.
3. Bio weapons are costly to produce.
The cost of producing a viable bio weapon is high compared to their lethality. The cost and time required to research and produce a genetically altered organism is considerable.
4. The environment in which a bio weapon is released is critical to it's effectiveness and the longevity of the organism.

The radio has reported it here and I have read about it in the news paper.
The two individuals both have the larger spores in their nasal cavities.
These are not the more breathable small spores that readly transit into the lungs. The first fellow was an avid gardner and outdoor type. They are investigating this for safety sake.

Please don't worry.

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The line between good and evil is razor sharp. Be careful of misteps,
lest you find yourself spitted upon your own blade.

Sir Taliesin · 10-08-2001, 07:41 PM

I understand from National Public Radio that spores where found on a keyboard, used by the man that died. Hope they find no more. There have only been 18 death associated with Anthrax in the last 18 years. The FBI is investigating. Might strange and fishy!!!

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Liliara · 10-11-2001, 12:17 AM

Just to let everyone know, this is now being investigated by the FBI as an act of foul play. Just before the outbreak those tabloids had printed a very unflattering story in their tabloids. I would also like to add that blood tests have been administered and will be administered to over seven hundred employies and visitors to the building. The quicker test (nasel swabbing) has shown no further infection or exposure.

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10-08-2001, 05:29 PM	#11
Mouse Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,788	At the moment, there is no evidence that terrorism had anything to do with this outbreak. For those that wish to know more here is some info on the disease. Lets not jump to conclusions over this, especially as the USA is not an anthrax free country. ------------------ Regards Mouse (Occasional crooner and all round friendly Scottish rodent) [This message has been edited by Mouse (edited 10-08-2001).]

10-08-2001, 05:31 PM	#12
Elif Godson Dracolich Join Date: August 28, 2001 Location: Hurricane Valley Age: 53 Posts: 3,089	2 people that work for THE SUN I think it's a news paper down by Miami. If I have heard correctly (3rd hand, the worst) They have shut them down and are screening the rest off the Employee's. This is not confirmed yet. ------------------ The Ruby Rouge of the ALSB Official Slayer of Pest's in Cloudy's Kitchen Blessed is the Warlock Advisor to the Lady Lioness for Kitchen raid's and such...

10-08-2001, 05:31 PM	#13
SSJ4Sephiroth Beholder Join Date: May 4, 2001 Location: The Outside Looking In Age: 38 Posts: 4,361	hmm, i havent heard anything about it... but then again, the news here is crap! but i'm not scared anyways... that would be doing what they want me to do. ------------------ It's simple. Once the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to heal the injury. The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the injury...What would happen if there was an injury that threatened the very life of the Planet? Think how much energy would be gathered! Ha, ha, ha. And at the center of that injury, wil be me. All that boundless energy will be mine. By merging with the energy of the Planet, I will be come a new life form, a new existence. Melding with the Planet, I will cease to exist as I am now. Only to be reborn as a 'God' to rule over every living soul. What are you saying? Are you trying to tell me you have feelings now? Ha, ha, ha... Stop acting as if you're sad. And there's no need to act as if you're angry either. Because, Cloud, you are... a puppet. Super Sephiroth, slayer of the Uber Fluffy, and battle co-ordionator and defender of the HADB clan. Follower of the mighty Fallen Paladin himself. Diplomacy is all and well, but HADB is better! Head of the IronWorks Intelligence Division Official Soup Server and bumper of Cloudy's Cafe Possessor of the Aerie Diamond Head from the ALSB. Page in the Court of Lady Lioness Stalking the woodlands, the Lioness in my sight, warm feelings doth come, into my lonely heart

10-08-2001, 06:33 PM	#14
Lord of Alcohol Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Charlotte,NC Age: 61 Posts: 4,570	Jabidas, do you know the author of that book? I tried looking it up but couldnt find it. I wanted to check it out.

10-08-2001, 07:08 PM	#15
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 54 Posts: 5,164	Hold up jumping to conclusions folks. I know a bit about anthrax. The bacteria can remain alive in the ground for centuries. It can also survive in the concrete of buildings. Kings Cross station in London has Anthrax bacteria deep within the walls for example. Farm workers are most likely to come into contact with it (it is a livestock disease), and anyone who digs up the ground - archaeologists, construction workers etc. also runs a risk. Or anyone who works in a building with the bacteria in the concrete - if a wall becomes damaged there is a slight chance that spores could be released. These are the main ways of contracting pulmonary anthrax (ie. Anthrax breathed in as opposed to ingested or absorbed through the skin.) Unfortunately pulmonary anthrax is also the most likely to be fatal - fortunately it is extremely rare. I hope the other workers in the building are being checked - they should be in isolation and be disinfected - they then have to take certain drugs at fairly high doses to kill any potential infection before the symptoms show. Yes this is a horrible disease, but very unlikely to come from a terrorist source. ------------------ Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. Epona of The Laughing Hyenas Proud winner of the 'Most Useless Post 250 Has Ever Seen' Award 2001. "I'd just like to thank my friends and family, without whom none of this would have been possible..."

10-08-2001, 07:11 PM	#16
Ladyzekke Ironworks Atomic Moderator Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Virginia, U.S.A. Age: 58 Posts: 9,005	Well contracting Anthrax naturally from animals is a VERY rare thing. To have two people get it working in the same building is suspicious. Not to mention the "timing." Of course, it really could be just a coincidence, albeit a very BIG one. Either way, the way I see it, is if there ARE still some terrorists residing in the U.S., their power has been hugely reduced now. No way they are going to hijack a plane again, and they know it. No access to labs or distribution from other labs overseas, etc. either. But who knows what some of them have on hand from before the attacks. Some may have Anthrax specimens, but I really don't think it would be much if so, and we really don't have to fear an epidemic from this instance. Hopefully we will find out 100% soon. ------------------

10-08-2001, 07:35 PM	#18
Wulfere Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska USA Age: 64 Posts: 893	Ok folks...I have been trained in chemical and Biological warfare. 1. Bio weapons are not very reliable. They have much less lethality than you might expect and are not nearly as virulent as many scare books and newsies report. Unless some one has managed to genetically alter a virus or bacterium Drastically they die quickly in exposed conditions. 2. The methods for dissemination are basically the same as for chemical weapons. Those being spray drom dispensers on aircraft or vehicle foggers. The other being explosive dissemination. An alternative might be pouring contagion into a water supply, but many municipalities chorlinate their water. I know mine does. 3. Bio weapons are costly to produce. The cost of producing a viable bio weapon is high compared to their lethality. The cost and time required to research and produce a genetically altered organism is considerable. 4. The environment in which a bio weapon is released is critical to it's effectiveness and the longevity of the organism. The radio has reported it here and I have read about it in the news paper. The two individuals both have the larger spores in their nasal cavities. These are not the more breathable small spores that readly transit into the lungs. The first fellow was an avid gardner and outdoor type. They are investigating this for safety sake. Please don't worry. ------------------ The line between good and evil is razor sharp. Be careful of misteps, lest you find yourself spitted upon your own blade.

10-08-2001, 07:41 PM	#19
Sir Taliesin Silver Dragon Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN USA Age: 62 Posts: 1,641	I understand from National Public Radio that spores where found on a keyboard, used by the man that died. Hope they find no more. There have only been 18 death associated with Anthrax in the last 18 years. The FBI is investigating. Might strange and fishy!!! ------------------ Sir Taliesin If they take my gun can I still use my Axe?

10-11-2001, 12:17 AM	#20
Liliara Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: August 17, 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 874	Just to let everyone know, this is now being investigated by the FBI as an act of foul play. Just before the outbreak those tabloids had printed a very unflattering story in their tabloids. I would also like to add that blood tests have been administered and will be administered to over seven hundred employies and visitors to the building. The quicker test (nasel swabbing) has shown no further infection or exposure. ------------------ Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar LH Member "I've had it up to here, listening to a small segment of people try to put down America! America's the greatest land on Earth, and we oughta be proud of what we have! I'm proud of America, I'm proud of our people, and I'm gonna prove it. We're American and DAMN proud of it! Frankly I'm getting a little ticked off...go ta ****"... Dink (if anyone knows who originally said this, please let me know!)

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