On Cowardice

[250]

Originally posted by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown: 250, you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying the US is cowardly. What I said above was that by the definitions Ziroc suggested for why the terrorists were cowardly, then the US would have been too, many times in the past. Ziroc suggested those definitions, not me. I was pointing out the double standard involved in applying them only to the terrorists.

so US is not cowardly, my bad

then US has nothing to do with the debate here, since, US is not coward

now the question remains: Is bin Laden a coward?

by my difinition: using fear to manipulate for one's selfish purpose is coward

there are many more prudctive, and surely, diffuclt ways. to resolve to violence is not only unoriginal, it is also a step back of humanity. it is an easy choice, and it is a dead end.

this guy cannot come up with better ways of solving probelms between east and west. therefore, he turns to killing. and worst of all, he doesn't have the guts to carry a bomb to white house and explode it, he sneaks on innocent people. how brave! any coward can do that.

he has NO coruage to confront the real issue here. he kills and tries to get away, time to put that to an end

Terrorists suck and the U.S. Military/Goverment is not infallible.

Take the good with the bad, or take the good and ignore the bad,or take the bad and ignore the good, or make the bad good or make the good bad. I dunno I just type.

[250]

Originally posted by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown: I am not saying they were brave. What I am questioning is that they were cowards. There is a difference.

they are cowards. if they really want to constructively solve something, why not ... **stops typing and starts thinking** sigh... there seem to be no other way out. we brought this on ourselves. we would not have listened if they use a less violent way

their message is crossed, loud and clear. but that doesnt make them look good. why does it matter if they are cowards or not? they are going to perish anyway

back to topic:
if someone is giving you a hard time, and you are presented with two choices:
1. kill him, and somehow NO ONE will even know you did it
2. confront him and solve the issue in a more productive way

which one would you choose? which one takes courage?

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown: I am not saying they were brave. What I am questioning is that they were cowards. There is a difference.

Dio you are right there is a differance, BUT I am calling them COWARDS for the reasons I stated earlier. Sneak Attacking unarmed people and not possessing the male sexual organs to come out in the open and say "let's get it on"



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[Liliara]

Actually, I think the better word would be STUPID!!!

By the way, anyone see Omar's doctor's diagnosis of him? He has mental disorders, he hears voices, voices from God telling him to create a pure Islamic state. He also suffers from fits of depression and childlike behavior where he goes out to his jeep and makes engine sounds while playing with the steering wheel!

This from an English reporter to whom the doctor only volunteered the info if they were kept annonymous.

I about laughed myself silly when I heard this!!!

No wonder nothing they say makes sense!

"Hey we're all here for the meeting, someone go get Omar out of the Jeep!"

Oh my gosh! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Here I go again!

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And you never did think that it ever would happen again, in America did you? And you never did think that we'd ever get together again, but we damn sure fooled ya. We're walkin' real proud and we're talkin' real loud again, in America. And you never did think that it ever would happen again.... (Charlie Daniels)

[This message has been edited by Liliara (edited 10-08-2001).]

[250]

Originally posted by Liliara: Actually, I think the better word would be STUPID!!! By the way, anyone see Omar's doctor's diagnosis of him? He has mental disorders, he hears voices, voices from God telling him to create a pure Islamic state. He also suffers from fits of depression and childlike behavior where he goes out to his jeep and makes engine sounds while playing with the steering wheel! This from an English reporter who only volunteered the info if they were kept annonymous. I about laughed myself silly when I heard this!!! No wonder nothing they say makes sense! "Hey we're all here for the meeting, someone go get Omar out of the Jeep!" Oh my gosh! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Here I go again!

LOL LOL LOL roflamo...

**puts Osama bin Laden's name on his 'idiots that are to be killed' list**

[Bullvye]

Hey, think of this :

Omar: "Those damn Americans, I so mad, I kill them all.........Where's my jeep?"

LMFAO

[Bahamut]

ROFLMAO!!!!!! That was a good one Liliara!!!

Heehee, hey Osama! Bring in yo jeep man! There is some important things to be discussed!!!

OSAMA: Sure thingee!!! *broom!!!*

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[Liliara]

Oh my goodness... HAHA...CAN'T BREATHE!..HAHA

Just to set this straight though, it's Omar, the head of the Taliban!

::wipes tears of laughter from her eyes::

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And you never did think that it ever would happen again, in America did you? And you never did think that we'd ever get together again, but we damn sure fooled ya. We're walkin' real proud and we're talkin' real loud again, in America. And you never did think that it ever would happen again.... (Charlie Daniels)

[AzureWolf]

Originally posted by Yorick: I believe suicide is the cowards way out. I have had three people I know commit suicide, and have faced that bleak option down myself. It is braver to keep surviving. To commit suicide and take others with you, for whatever reason, is a pathetic gesture that I pour derision and scorn on from the depths of my being. Yes, from one angle the strength of human spirit in the highjackers is amazing, and highlights what effect such conviction we as humans can achieve. If only the result was a positive constructive end, rather than a negative destructive end. Let me say this. It is easier to destroy than to build. It takes more energy, skill, time and ability to create than destroy. These men chose to give in to destruction. Give in to anothers will. Give in to seeking to achieve their ends through death than through other means. Why are the US in Saudi Arabia? Why couldn't political, financial, religious pressure be exerted on the Saudi family - already Wahabi - to eject the US servicemen. Where is the strength of character necessary for compromise and dialogue? Acceptance of an imperfect situation? Pragmatism? These men gave in to hate, they gave in to destruction, they gave in to violence. I have no hesitation in calling them cowardly. Terrorism is a cowardly act. It relies of hostage taking, of deception and subterfuge, on killing innocent civilians, babies and children. In the process of supporting terrorism and perpetuating repression, the Taliban have neglected to build any infrastructure in Afgahnistan. Osama is the greatest coward of the lot. Calling on men to do what he himself will not do. Bush, Guliani and Cheney by comparison are cogs in a wheel. Rudi was there at the collapse. Bush has been to the scene. None of them are soldiers and would have no effectiveness in combat. Osama by contrast is a soldier. [This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 10-08-2001).]

The terroists were not committing suicide as a "way out" of their personal problem. Put simply they felt that they were doing the will of their god. Why are you so outraged about this once incidence, that muslims committed such a vile act wheras Christians have done far worse in the past in the name of their faith. Are these to be ignored because they are part of history now? In that case then they are no more accountable today then the words of christ.

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