breaking the Religous Discussion rule

[John D Harris]

I don't suggest anybody break the rule. Yes I broke the rule, I admitted it before breaking the rule and if the Mods or Ziroc wish to ban me for doing so they should and need to. I didn't try to give any argument nor will I stating it should be ok for the breaking of the rule, or try to fight any ban. If a ban is passed down I deserve it for I broke the rule. I had already applied a ban on myself for over 2 weeks for breaking the rule. One must pay the fiddler if one wishes to dance.

[Sigmar]

I don't see why we still have that rule anyway. I'm sure the current member-base is as a whole mature enough now to talk about the subject matter without turning it into a battle of "MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOURS!".

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Sigmar: I don't see why we still have that rule anyway. I'm sure the current member-base is as a whole mature enough now to talk about the subject matter without turning it into a battle of "MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOURS!".

I don't know about that Sigmar, for nearly 4 years that I've been visiting this board, about every 6 months or so there crops up a thread about being polite/civil in conversation/discusion. Usually the ones doing the most complaining are the ones that will make declarative statments, then when the other side makes their declarative statement, they get upset and say they are trying to force their opinion or the like on them. When they in fact are doing the same thing. That doesn't show me a high maturity level. The problem is not the "My God is better then yours." It is, I can tell you how I feel/think, but don't tell me how you feel/think. That is not conversing, that is yapp'n. If people want to make declarative statments Fine make them, back them up then leave them be. If somebody wants to find out why, how,& what of a declaritvie statement ask questions, don't make your on declarative statement. That just leads to a circle-jerk. Conversing is a 2 way street.

[mad=dog]

I think the fundamental problems are

1) Religion is deeply personal buisness. If somebody - even accidently - insult your religion you feel personally insulted.

2) Religion does not go well with common sense. In fact one could say it is where common sense stops and emotions begin. Thus it is difficult to have sensible discussions about religion as there are no facts to base your views upon. It is not impossible though, just difficult.

3) Religion is troll material. As said the member base is largely mature, but there will be the occational "Kneel and repent" missionary.

This makes it really difficult to moderate religious posts. It is quite hard to determine what may be insulting. Furthermore religious threads often branch and become enormous. It is just easier to say no to religious posts entirely than sacrifice all the necessary resources. My 0.02$.

[shamrock_uk]

Personally, I think the problem isn't so bad. Where the discussion is civil and restrained the mods seem content to allow the rules to be bent slightly.

I think there are some subjects that cannot be separated from religion so this is a powerful incentive not to push it - if we do, then we make it worse for ourselves.

[Morgeruat]

I would have to agree with you Shamrock, in the last few threads, the Pope, 13 y/o abortion, Schaivo's, Gay marriage, etc religion was brought up and discussed, and as long as it was kept civil the mods had very little involvement. As long as it is handled maturely by all, and people are generally polite, there doesn't seem to be too much problem with pushing the boundaries of the moratorium here (at least as long as you don't jump completely into a thread preaching nothing but religion, and the thread doesn't start out based upon religion).

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: Personally, I think the problem isn't so bad. Where the discussion is civil and restrained the mods seem content to allow the rules to be bent slightly.

That's cause Sham you discuss things, ideas, thunks, and the like [img]smile.gif[/img]
How many times have you and I gone round after round, and in the end we say Ok I can see where you are coming from I don't agree, but I can follow your reasoning.

I started this to say for any new comers, I broke the rule, and I don't suggest anyone else break it, or use my breaking of the rule as an ok for them. After all how many others have the flair to say "rectally(sp?) expeled intestinal waste happens".

I self impossed the ban, if it is decided that is not enough then I will take my punishment. I can do nothing less after all the preaching I do about responseabilty.

[Azred]

Part of the reason for the ban on discussing religion is that some people will sometimes take things personally when the comments were not directed in a personal manner. Of course, sometimes statements are made that are personal, and personal attacks are always a bad thing.

On the other hand, there are some people (like me) who never take anything personally, even when someone is trying to make a personal attack. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

In the end, in a vast majority of cases discussing religion usually devolves into a personal battle. It's really quite sad....

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by shamrock_uk: Personally, I think the problem isn't so bad. Where the discussion is civil and restrained the mods seem content to allow the rules to be bent slightly.

That's cause Sham you discuss things, ideas, thunks, and the like [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE][img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

How many times have you and I gone round after round, and in the end we say Ok I can see where you are coming from I don't agree, but I can follow your reasoning.

Yep, good times [img]smile.gif[/img]

If you think about it, that's bloody weird though. I guess it shows you just how irrational us humans really are! How can we decide that someone elses argument makes perfect sense yet still not agree with it? Crazy, huh? [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

[Stratos]

Originally posted by Sigmar: I don't see why we still have that rule anyway. I'm sure the current member-base is as a whole mature enough now to talk about the subject matter without turning it into a battle of "MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOURS!".

The current member base is largely the same as when the latest moratorium started.

Besides, haven't religious discussion been banned one or two times before even this current ban? I don't remember much of my early IW days so can any older IW member clear this out?

[ 05-06-2005, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: Stratos ]