Is it too harsh?

[Darlon]

Originally posted by Aragorn1: quote: Originally posted by Darlon: I do agree with putting the murderers to death, but the flogging/hanging method is too savage to be deemed legal in a civilised society (note: I am NOT saying the Iranians are uncivilised, just to clear any misunderstandings).

You weren't saying it, you were implying it (and still are, given the phrasing). [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]I apologize if I offended anyone with that post, I was just posting my opinion.

[Ziroc]

Originally posted by Darlon: quote: Originally posted by Ziroc: They NEED to do this here in the USA. Nasty sick people. god....

Good Heavens! NO!!


I do agree with putting the murderers to death, but the flogging/hanging method is too savage to be deemed legal in a civilised society (note: I am NOT saying the Iranians are uncivilised, just to clear any misunderstandings).


now back on topic:


Was it too harsh? yes, IMO


I can just imagine the trauma the murderers family must be going though . [/QUOTE]And you would still feel this way if it was YOUR child that was the victim?

[Luvian]

Personally, I don't belive in killing other humans. It's not my decision to make.

Not only that, but it can be argued that his punishment was too short. The famillies will suffer for years, while he stoped suffering.

He should have been isolated in a cell for the rest of his life. After a few years with no human contact, he might wish for death, although he won't get it.

[Aragorn1]

Originally posted by Darlon: quote: Originally posted by Aragorn1: quote: Originally posted by Darlon: I do agree with putting the murderers to death, but the flogging/hanging method is too savage to be deemed legal in a civilised society (note: I am NOT saying the Iranians are uncivilised, just to clear any misunderstandings).

You weren't saying it, you were implying it (and still are, given the phrasing). [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]I apologize if I offended anyone with that post, I was just posting my opinion. [/QUOTE]No offence taken, i was just being pedantic. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Anyway, that the point of this place, to post your opinions. Just because someone may not agree with them does not mean you shouldn't post them, otherwise this place would be pretty boring.

[Aragorn1]

Originally posted by Luvian: Personally, I don't belive in killing other humans. It's not my decision to make. Not only that, but it can be argued that his punishment was too short. The famillies will suffer for years, while he stoped suffering. He should have been isolated in a cell for the rest of his life. After a few years with no human contact, he might wish for death, although he won't get it.

I agree with this, isn't a long miserable life worse than a death. I know a relative of mine is quite sick and has been away from home for a few months. She has said, in her more despondant moments that she hates the place and would rather die than stay there forever. This is not always her attitude but this depression comes from living in a rehab centre with others. I can only imagine prison would be much worse. I don't beleive revenge should be a motive in criminal justice. Punishment yes, and if suitable rehabilitation, not always with an end to release, although clearly not suitable in this case. And the whiping is just to inflict pain, again revenge not justice. Freedom from torture is in this country the only human right which has no exceptions as it is felt that it can never be justified.

Even if i did agree, the method is savage, not only did they whip him i suspect the hanging was not done with a fatal knot which breaks th neck was the English practice but by suffocation. Even the guilotine, firing squad etc offered a quick death as a punishment not an agnizing one as punishment. (God, i'm sounding like a liberal)

[ 03-31-2005, 08:22 AM: Message edited by: Aragorn1 ]

[Dreamer128]

Originally posted by Ziroc: quote: Originally posted by Darlon: quote: Originally posted by Ziroc: They NEED to do this here in the USA. Nasty sick people. god....

Good Heavens! NO!!


I do agree with putting the murderers to death, but the flogging/hanging method is too savage to be deemed legal in a civilised society (note: I am NOT saying the Iranians are uncivilised, just to clear any misunderstandings).


now back on topic:


Was it too harsh? yes, IMO


I can just imagine the trauma the murderers family must be going though . [/QUOTE]And you would still feel this way if it was YOUR child that was the victim? [/QUOTE]If my child (hypothetical, I don't have any kids) had been murdered, I doubt even the brutal torture and exectution of his killer would be enough to ease the pain of his passing even a little.

[ 03-31-2005, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Dreamer128 ]

[Aragorn1]

If justice was left to the victims we would approach anarchy. This is why we have legal systems, to dispense justice fairly on behalf of soceity, not the victim, although they may not always having differing interests.

[Morgeruat]

Even if i did agree, the method is savage, not only did they whip him i suspect the hanging was not done with a fatal knot which breaks th neck was the English practice but by suffocation. Even the guilotine, firing squad etc offered a quick death as a punishment not an agnizing one as punishment. (God, i'm sounding like a liberal)

You are correct, the article stated that he was hoisted by a crane, specifically to prevent his neck from breaking and quickly ending the execution. Not an uncommon practice in that part of the world.

[ 03-31-2005, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]

[Mack_Attack]

I really think a life in prison is not going to satisfy the familys of the kids that were killed. Having kids and knowing that the killer is still there and with some fluke that he could get out. Would not rest with me.

And Dreamer you have a point. But since I have kids and just knowing that he is dead works good for me. I mean you never are going to be the same. But something needs to be done to these monsters that do this to kids.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Aragorn1: Even if i did agree, the method is savage, not only did they whip him i suspect the hanging was not done with a fatal knot which breaks th neck was the English practice but by suffocation. Even the guilotine, firing squad etc offered a quick death as a punishment not an agnizing one as punishment. (God, i'm sounding like a liberal)

Oh, we of European descent have our own savagery to deal with. Quartering, drawing, impalement. And, let's not think our religion avoids it either -- iron maidens, thumb screws, racks, hot pokers, all part of the "trial by ordeal" arsenal of slow and painful death that was part of the Holy Roman Inquisition for hundreds of years. I mean, it takes a creative sort of barbarism to dream up the "quartered and drawn" combination, not to mention the choreographical talent needed to coordinate 4 horses and one disentrailer.