Minnesota school shootings

[Timber Loftis]

Whatever. Not worth it to get into it. It always comes down to a gun debate, which inevitably leaves me itching to shoot somebody. A feeling that is unwelcome since I don't own a gun and can't go to the range and cap off a few hundred rounds to sate my urge.

My point was simply that there are types of violence we experience here that you don't experience there and vice versa. When I hear about Chechen rebels taking a school or about Muslim thug gangs in France, I'm not on here talking about how screwed up Europe is and how its failings produce such a social problem.

But, I see a story about a US school shooting and I just come waiting for the across-the-ponders to start posting about how screwed up the US is.

Such is life.

[ 03-22-2005, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[Larry_OHF]

Pro-Nazi beliefs may have led to the shootings, confirmed by postings on a website from his PC.

RED LAKE, Minnesota (CNN) -- A student who authorities said killed nine people Monday before turning the gun on himself apparently disliked interracial mixing, according to postings on a neo-Nazi Web site. Jeff Weise is believed to have killed his grandmother and grandfather Monday before going to Red Lake Senior High School and killing seven more people and wounding as many as 13 others before he committed suicide. Introducing himself on the Web site as "Jeff Weise, from the Red Lake 'Indian' Reservation," the writer assumed two names: NativeNazi and "todesengel," which means "Angel of Death" in German, on the site of the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (www.nazi.org). "As a result of cultural dominance and interracial mixing, there is barely any full-blooded Natives left," a July 2004 posting said. "Where I live, less than 1 percent of all the people on the reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run ramped (rampant). We have kids my age killing each other over things as simple as a fight, and it's because of the rap influence. "Under a National Socialist government, things for us would improve vastly ... that is why I am pro-Nazi. It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist, people are so misinformed, ignorant and close minded, it makes your life a living hell." The neo-Nazi group posted a statement on its site Tuesday confirming that Weise posted the messages. "The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party ... refused to wring hands over a 'tragedy,' instead pointing out that such events are to be expected when thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society," the article said. In response to queries from other posters, NativeNazi said he was a member of the Ojibwa tribe and "both my parents were Native American, though from what I understand I also have a little German, a little Irish and a little French Canadian in my blood as well." The last posting was in August 2004, according to an archive search.

[Timber Loftis]

Well, at least they didn't wring their hands or cowtow to anyone. If you're gonna be an ass, do it loudly and proudly I often say...

loudly and proudly, of course. [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]

[shamrock_uk]

Methinks he doesn't have a very good understanding of Hitler or his beliefs: I doubt he would have had much patience with Native American's...

[johnny]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: That's because you have soccer games for a healthy violent outlet. Venting off that much physical abuse on a regular basis helps you remain much more sensible, I think. Besides, when young men decide they want to violently rebel over there, there are a lot of terrorist groups for them to join. Why go to school alone to cause trouble when you can go to Russia or Ireland and join a whole group of men and take over a whole school? You got your problems too, it seems.

That's very true, i've been stockpiling a lot of anger lately, time to head to the stadium once again.

[Seraph]

Originally posted by dplax: Europe has 750 million people, yet we haven't had anything like this since I'm following the news (9-10 years).

I can recall atleast two:

In 2002 a 19 year old gunman killed sixteen students in Erfurt Germany.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1952869.stm

Also in 2002 a 17 year old gunman killed a teacher and wounded a second in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1958400.stm

[dplax]

Thanks for the clarification Seraph. I was not aware of those two events.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: Methinks he doesn't have a very good understanding of Hitler or his beliefs: I doubt he would have had much patience with Native American's...

Those aren't Hitler's kind of nazis from what I gather. Neo-nazis that accept all races yet agree that all those races should be kept seperate.

Regardless, this kid's mingling with this group is more of sign of an identity struggle- probably associated with self-esteem and socializing issues rather than pure Hitler-nazi racial hatred.

Anyway, no explainifications of the killer's mindset can or will rationalize or justify this tragedy. Its just plain sad.

[Ziroc]

I told ya. The kid was on PROZAC. I freaking KNEW it.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&feed=rss.news


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He was taking the antidepressant Prozac and at least once was hospitalized for suicidal tendencies, said Gayle Downwind, a cultural coordinator at Red Lake Middle School, who taught Weise. It was not uncommon for Weise to spend at least one night a week at her home. "He considered my house a safe place to be," she said.

In his 16 years, Weise had lost many relatives. He was estranged from other family members and had a strained relationship with Daryl Lussier, the grandfather he killed at the start of Monday's rampage.

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When the hell are we going to wake up and take these 'crazy pills' off the market?

[johnny]

Or ban firearms ?

Ooops..did i just say that ?