Humanizing Hitler: A movie - Page 3

sageridder · 09-20-2004, 02:06 AM

I don't know if the film needed to be made or should have been made or whatever.I do think however it might have been better to have been left alone another 20 0r 30 years so as not to outrage some older folks that lived through it.

johnny · 09-20-2004, 05:42 AM

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Evil does not exist

About 6 million dead Jews would strongly disagree with you here. [/QUOTE]so? [/QUOTE]What an enlightning question, are we stoned again ?

Attalus · 09-20-2004, 09:09 AM

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The factories that were moved were well within Wehrmacht, let alone Luftwafe range, see Richard J. Overy's Why the Allies Won. The 'civilian resistance' that counted was in those factories.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...apr/ratley.htm [/QUOTE]That citation is of no use whatsoever. The movement of the factories took place months after the onset of Barbarossa. I should not have said 'killing', as it is not wrong to kill in a righteous cause, how about "looting, murdering and raping?" That evil enough for you?

Larry_OHF · 09-20-2004, 09:34 AM

Anyone that has taken an introductory level of Psychology will know how easy it is to manipulate somebody into believing as you do. I learned in mine that there have been tests done where a man thought he was actually shocking another man in the next room, and continued to do so until supposed death just because the lab technition goaded him on and told the subject that he (the lab tech) was taking full responsibility for the supposed death. It was all a setup, and no harm was done to the supposed victim, but the test proved that almost all of the men were able to be persuaded by the man in the white lab coat to nearly kill another man. Another test was done by a university on women nurses ten years later that resulted in similar responses.

Conclusion...Hitler was not necessarily a great leader, he just proved that he knew how to persuade people to believe in his ideals.

Larry_OHF · 09-20-2004, 09:36 AM

I think this thread has become a better topic for the CE forum instead of GenCon. I am sure most of you will agree.

You can find it still active over there.

Dadams1 · 09-20-2004, 06:41 PM

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I should not have said 'killing', as it is not wrong to kill in a righteous cause, how about "looting, murdering and raping?" That evil enough for you?

Haven't you got it yet that I don't believe in evil, so it's useless to cite to me things that you believe are evil?

The Hierophant · 09-20-2004, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by johnny:
What an enlightning question, are we stoned again ?

Nope, quite sober today.
But allow me to rephrase the question, seeing as people seem unwilling to look beyond face value...
Why would the opinions of 'six million dead jews' regarding absolute morality matter to a moral relativist?

Timber Loftis · 09-20-2004, 06:57 PM

Evil exists per se. But, the view of it is culture-driven. It's not that it doesn't exist -- but that it's a moving target.

Hitler was a frothing, raving, cult of personality persona. He would stand before the workers and rant about the evil Jew taking their jobs, and that's how they slowly got support going for the Nazi party.

I don't credit him with any particular genious. The party was a machine much larger than him that incorporated him. Then, he slowly used the cult of personality and the politics of fear to get sole control over things. And, then, it all went to hell in a handbasket because an incompetent insane prejudiced narrow-minded dictatorial boob was running the show. His generals and fellow party members held it together as long as possible -- but he's no particular genius at all.

Timber Loftis · 09-20-2004, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by The Hierophant:
Nope, quite sober today.
But allow me to rephrase the question, seeing as people seem unwilling to look beyond face value...
Why would the opinions of 'six million dead jews' regarding absolute morality matter to a moral relativist?

Call it evil, call it bob, call it sonofsam -- I don't care. If you can't look at genocide and see there's something wrong with it, I've nothing for you.

The Hierophant · 09-20-2004, 07:11 PM

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Call it evil, call it bob, call it sonofsam -- I don't care. If you can't look at genocide and see there's something wrong with it, I've nothing for you.

OK. Fair enough.
For you, personally, what is wrong with genocide?

09-20-2004, 02:06 AM	#21
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09-20-2004, 09:34 AM	#24
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 49 Posts: 14,759	Anyone that has taken an introductory level of Psychology will know how easy it is to manipulate somebody into believing as you do. I learned in mine that there have been tests done where a man thought he was actually shocking another man in the next room, and continued to do so until supposed death just because the lab technition goaded him on and told the subject that he (the lab tech) was taking full responsibility for the supposed death. It was all a setup, and no harm was done to the supposed victim, but the test proved that almost all of the men were able to be persuaded by the man in the white lab coat to nearly kill another man. Another test was done by a university on women nurses ten years later that resulted in similar responses. Conclusion...Hitler was not necessarily a great leader, he just proved that he knew how to persuade people to believe in his ideals. __________________

09-20-2004, 06:57 PM	#28
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	Evil exists per se. But, the view of it is culture-driven. It's not that it doesn't exist -- but that it's a moving target. Hitler was a frothing, raving, cult of personality persona. He would stand before the workers and rant about the evil Jew taking their jobs, and that's how they slowly got support going for the Nazi party. I don't credit him with any particular genious. The party was a machine much larger than him that incorporated him. Then, he slowly used the cult of personality and the politics of fear to get sole control over things. And, then, it all went to hell in a handbasket because an incompetent insane prejudiced narrow-minded dictatorial boob was running the show. His generals and fellow party members held it together as long as possible -- but he's no particular genius at all. __________________

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