Compassionate conservatism?

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by The Hierophant: What's wrong with imperialism?

It's just so... so... you know... imperialistic. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Nightwing]

What bothers me most about Bush is he is preoccupide with violence. He is not smart enough nor is his cabinet to solve a problem peacefully. Peaceful solutions are much harder to win but they last much longer. Who do we invade next? North Korea, Chetznea or just anyone who we want to because our might makes right. There are terrorist cells in a great deal of nations, do we invade all of them. I'm sorry but the United States was not in grave enough danger to send our men and women to die. They should be protecting the United States not being sent to die because something might happen and Bush is so Stupid he can't figure out how to make our country safe without killing thousands of people. Bush bothers me because he is so stubborn he doesn't know when to admit he is wrong. That's very scarry! His whole platform is war and look at what I am going to do. His entire speech spoke of nothing noteworthy he has done in his presidency. He mentioned "no child left behind" which is the biggest joke I've seen. He has no idea what he is doing to edjucation.

[Timber Loftis]

if what you're doing isn't hurting anyone else, the government doesn't care.

My problem with libertarianism is it doesn't define the harm broadly enough to include pollution.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Nightwing: He is not smart enough nor is his cabinet to solve a problem peacefully. Peaceful solutions are much harder to win but they last much longer.

Remember the Balkans? President Clinton bombed the place 7+ years ago, we are still there doing Peace Keeping Missions.

Who do we invade next? North Korea, Chetznea or just anyone who we want to because our might makes right. There are terrorist cells in a great deal of nations, do we invade all of them.

No, none of those!

I'm sorry but the United States was not in grave enough danger to send our men and women to die. They should be protecting the United States not being sent to die because something might happen and Bush is so Stupid he can't figure out how to make our country safe without killing thousands of people.

It is much easier to fight the enemy elsewhere. For the other situation is we fight them here in America. Is that what you want?

Bush bothers me because he is so stubborn he doesn't know when to admit he is wrong. That's very scarry! His whole platform is war and look at what I am going to do. His entire speech spoke of nothing noteworthy he has done in his presidency.

It gives me great privilege that you do not fully understand what we are fighting for, or against , liberal media (freedom of speech at it's best). This is not a generation X thang, it takes intestinal fortitude to fight a guerilla. This is the battle for the FUTURE, if we don't fighr it now, at our choosing, at our desired location, then you or your children will fight it right here in the homeland! If the other guy wins, he wants it to be a policing action. And he would ask Paris when he could defend America. That is not the right choice either. We must take the fight to our adversaries! If WE DON"T they will SURELY bring it to us! And that is why this began to start with, or has that memory slipped past you?

The Soldiers Creed I am an American Soldier. I am a Warrior and a member of a team. I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values. I will always place the mission first. I will never accept defeat. I will never quit. I will never leave a fallen comrade. I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself. I am an expert and I am a professional. I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat. I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life. I am an American Soldier.

[ 09-07-2004, 11:21 AM: Message edited by: Felix The Assassin ]

[Nightwing]

I'm sorry Felix but a handfull of misguided people is no excuse to go to war. How can you be sure we won't invade others? Bush did not show good judgement this time and he doesn't seem to have learned anything from it. There is always going to be groups who threaten the United States. These are just minute groups compared to the population we should be smart enough to stop them without invading other nations. We had plenty of evidence for 9/11 but nobody put it together. If we spend more time interpreting the intelligence instead of fighting a war we have no business being in less people will die. War affects a great deal more people than just the ones fighting in it and we should not be so hasty to jump to that conclutsion like bush did.

I don't see how you can say we are fighting for freedom of speech. Our freedom was not in jeoperdy and still isn't. And that is not because we are fighting over seas but because this few people have not the resources to take that away from us. We are a much stronger nation than that. Showing our strength through peace is the best example of democracy we can put out there.

[John D Harris]

Preach it Felix, Preach it.
I'm getting to old to protect my grandaugthers, I don't want them to fight this fight here.
THANK YOU TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE U.S. MILITARY
John

[Felix The Assassin]

These people are terrorist, loyalist, and really don't give a rat's backside about you, me, or peace! Their motive is against anything that we the free Democratic world want them to have. When they hit us, they hit hard, and straight at the heart. They are of the same breed as those that took the school in Russia. One in the same. They STRIVE for weakness. If you recall, saddam hussein always had a gun, and always fired it while in public. That was his sign of, I'm still in charge. In their eyes we are the infidels. We are weak, and as long as we are weak they will continue to take their pot shots. If we waiver, and allow direct engagement of them to fall into recess, then they will take that sign of weakness and exploit it to it's maximum. That is why we MUST prevail in this skirmish. If we throw up our hands and say, hey, let's go to the peace table, it won't be long before we will have fully operating cells right here in the homeland. These people cannot be compared to the Free and Democratic society that you know.

I'm not saying we are fighting for freedom of speech! I said:

It gives me great privilege that you do not fully understand what we are fighting for, or against , liberal media (freedom of speech at it's best).

Meaning; The populace has the right to chose which media (freedom of speech)they follow.

The count as of 1 Sep is 1106. That number means a lot more to me, than just; one thousand, one hundred, six. I knew some of them personally, and even more professionally. We cannot allow their sacrifice to go for naught.

[Jonas Strider]

Wow things are heating up here which BTW is not what I expected YET this is the CE where things can get hot. I'm not the moderator but I trust their judgement to hand out any 'cards' if need be. Ce la vie mon amis. Oui? Peace.

[Nightwing]

Bush missed his opportunity to solve this peacefully when he told our troops to invade. We now have to be there because of his shortsightedness and impatients. These people are fanatics you're right, so no matter what we do we will not change their minds. But we can change the mind of the public in a positive or negetive way and right now it is negetive. All we've done is increase terroristic activity.

The count is a lot more than 1106. Plenty more civilians have been killed as well as people from other nations.

Peaceful leaders are much stronger in the worlds eye than aggresive ones.

[Timber Loftis]

So, Felix, we should invade and occupy every country where radical Muslims live? If not, then which ones? Why Iraq, which begat fewer terrorist than many of her neighbors? Why not Saudi or Syria, where the people really hate us? Why the one country that was pacified and was where we had a constant patrol? Convenience?