Chemical Attack in Iraq!!!!!!

[Mouse]

The only reference to this I've been able to find is here.

Make of the "news" organisation which is carrying it what you will

Well I am unable to find any verification of a chemical attack on Baghdad anywhere. My source is usually pretty straight up, but errors can be made by anyone.

Im inclined to think that this time its a false alarm...except Mouse found reference to it on WND's G2 page....I usually ignore that section as I consider it to be akin to the conspiracy theorists.

Guess we will have to wait and see what happens it might be a while before it gets confirmed if it's real.


[ 06-28-2004, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Davros]

Originally posted by The Whackmiester: Pardon my French, but.... If it is, the people who said there were no WMDs are gonna feel like crap.

Pardon my English, but your comment indicates on overwhelming desire to be seen as correct per political agenda whilst reflecting a complete lack of compassion to people (servicemen and civilians) who could have been potential victims.

Mayhap I am being a little sensitive, but I would prefer a little less ruthlessness and loss of life be associated with the justification of my own political views.

[ 06-29-2004, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]

[Lanesra]

Lets face it it's over 440 days since the war/ search for WMD'S started, which would give any terrorist enough time to bring this stuff in from anywhere in the world , carried by a coloumn of ants. As Davros said (not that I love him [img]smile.gif[/img] ) it seems as though people just want to be able to say " I told you so " as a means to justifying the war in Iraq.

Being honest Lanesra we have to admit that over 9700 "secret" weapons cache's have been found to date, burried under sand, hidden in Mosques and some HAVE included cheemical Weapons shells and mortars and rockets..they were old but they WERE WoMD. (do you or I or anyone really know what will be found in the next weapons cache that is found?) AND 40 tons of Sarin was seized coming out of Syria, which has no capability to produce the material...kind of wondering what neighboring country that may have come from?

WoMD was not the only justification for the Iraq war, (it was only one of several) and even the UN admits that Iraq has HAD the capability to produce Chemical WoMD's in the past (and used them on the Kurds and Iranians) so lets quit beating a dead horse (from both sides)... Iraq has had WoMD and there was Intel (which is even today being repeated by European Inteligence Agencies according to ABC Radio news) that Saddam was tryingto procure greater abilities to produce Chemical and nuclear weapons. EVEN had he not succeeded in having any, I doubt it is wise to wait untill a person like him HAS them to hand.

[ 06-29-2004, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Lanesra: Lets face it it's over 440 days since the war/ search for WMD'S started, which would give any terrorist enough time to bring this stuff in from anywhere in the world , carried by a coloumn of ants. As Davros said (not that I love him [img]smile.gif[/img] ) it seems as though people just want to be able to say " I told you so " as a means to justifying the war in Iraq.

As long as it is also faced that only a few months into the war there were several on this board that were allready saying that there were NO, nada, zero WoMD's in Iraq and any found WOULD be Brought in by the USA to justify It's action.

9-10 months into this war there were also those that Clearly stated NO,nada, zero WoMD's were found and demanded that the other side admit it was WRONG an apologize. When some shells containing chemicals classified as WoMD's those same people that earlier had demanded an apology earlier (for NO, nada,zero WoMD's being found) made up excuses for the shells that were found. Jusifiying their position by saying the WoMD's were old, as if the date of the WoMD's manufacturing made them any less WoMD's. I've yet to see a single logical reasoning for that, a manufacture date makes something a WoMD, a differant manufacture date makes the same thing NOT a WoMD. Please provide the authorization for making that kind of pronouncement, "Hale" I'll even accept a UN resolution declaring XYorZ made at a certain time is NOT a WoMD, and XYorZ made at another Time IS a WoMD.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Davros: quote: Originally posted by The Whackmiester: Pardon my French, but.... If it is, the people who said there were no WMDs are gonna feel like shit.

Pardon my English, but your comment indicates on overwhelming desire to be seen as correct per political agenda whilst reflecting a complete lack of compassion to people (servicemen and civilians) who could have been potential victims.

Mayhap I am being a little sensitive, but I would prefer a little less ruthlessness and loss of life be associated with the justification of my own political views. [/QUOTE]There's been nearly 1,000,000 killed in the Sudan by Arab militants in the last year or so, and the rest of the world is sitting idly by, and talks about talking to the militants, you know trying to reason with and UNDERSTAND their position. Is 1,000,000 dead enough justification? I see a lot of outrage over prehaps 100,000 killed in Iraq durring the War. We have 10 times that many killed while the world (UN) sits on it's rear-end and comtemplates it's navel.

[Davros]

If you want to shift topics then JD then by all means do. I will stick with my original comments which say that I am hoping that if WOMD are found somewhere then it is by inspection rather than a massacre of usage. While some people look forward to "feeling right" with either, I am not one of those that favour, look forward to, or will gloat if the "discovery" involves the death of another couple of hundered people. That is why I took a shot at the offending post - because the comments were crass.

[Donut]

Originally posted by John D Harris: There's been nearly 1,000,000 killed in the Sudan by Arab militants in the last year or so, and the rest of the world is sitting idly by, and talks about talking to the militants, you know trying to reason with and UNDERSTAND their position. Is 1,000,000 dead enough justification? I see a lot of outrage over prehaps 100,000 killed in Iraq durring the War. We have 10 times that many killed while the world (UN) sits on it's rear-end and comtemplates it's navel.

Did they discover oil in the Sudan overnight and nobody told me?

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by John D Harris: There's been nearly 1,000,000 killed in the Sudan by Arab militants in the last year or so, and the rest of the world is sitting idly by, and talks about talking to the militants, you know trying to reason with and UNDERSTAND their position. Is 1,000,000 dead enough justification? I see a lot of outrage over prehaps 100,000 killed in Iraq durring the War. We have 10 times that many killed while the world (UN) sits on it's rear-end and comtemplates it's navel.

Uh, I dunno where you are getting the 1 million killed in Sudan figure or the one hundred thousand dead in Iraq figure but unless you are exagerating for effect I think you are mistaken.

Oh and while we are totatlly off-topic....

Speaking of Sudan and words, rather than action, our very own Colin Powell:

(I highlighted some figures for comparison's sake)
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Take action: Powell to Sudan By Matthew Lee in Khartoum 30jun04 US Secretary of State Colin Powell has issued a blunt call to Sudanese leaders to take "action now" to end the humanitarian crisis in the western region of Darfur or face possibile UN sanctions. Mr Powell spelt out three main demands of Khartoum: rein in state-sponsored Arab militias accused of massive human rights abuses, open access to Darfur for humanitarian organizations, and start negotiations with the region's two ethnic minority rebel movements. "Unless we see more moves soon in all these areas, it may be necessary for the international community to begin considering other actions, to include Security Council action," he told reporters after meeting Sudanese President Omar al-Beshir. Mr Powell, who arrived here armed with satellite photographs showing the deserted minority villages which Washington says were destroyed by the militias, said his talks had been "candid, straightforward" and "direct". Sudanese Foreign Minister Mustafa Ismail, who spoke at a joint news conference with Mr Powell, acknowledged difficulties in the region but insisted they had been exaggerated. "We admit there is a problem in Darfur," Mr Ismail said. "We believe that there is no famine, no epidemic, but that does not mean that there is no humanitarian problem which needs to be taken care of." He promised his government would unveil a new package of measures before the end of Mr Powell's visit, which today will take him to Darfur, accompanied by senior Sudanese officials. Mr Powell said Mr Beshir appeared to "understand" the severity of the situation but withheld judgement on any measures that Sudan might be contemplating. More than 10,000 people have died in Darfur and more than a million been driven from their homes since the revolt against the Arab-dominated government in Khartoum broke out among the indigenous minorities in February 2003. Hundreds of thousands of people are at risk from the deteriorating conditions and the militias, known as Janjawid, and the United Nations has labelled the situation the world's worst current humanitarian crisis. Mr Powell told reporters en route from Istanbul that he intended to give his Sudanese interlocutors a "very direct message about how the United States and the international community sees the horrific situation in Darfur." "We have got to act now because we are running out of time," said Mr Powell, the highest-ranking US official to visit Khartoum since 1978. Asked whether the violence being committed by the militias against the Darfur minorities amounted to "genocide", Mr Powell said a US review now underway had found "indicators and elements" that pointed to such a conclusion but: "What we are seeing is a disaster, a catastrophe. We can find the right label for it later, we have got to deal with it now," he said. Mr Powell also warned that the improvement in relations between Washington and Khartoum that followed peace agreements between the government and rebels in southern Sudan could be in danger because of the Darfur crisis. "Unless we resolve the Darfur situation and do it quickly, all that is put at risk," he said. His visit coincided with today's anniversary of the 1989 coup that brought Mr Beshir's Islamic regime to power, and his meetings took place against the backdrop of fireworks across the city. Ahead of their talks, Mr Beshir pledged new measures to smooth the flow of aid, but reiterated his position that it was the rebels, more than the militias, who were to blame for the continued deterioration of the crisis despite an April 8 ceasefire signed in neighboring Chad. "It is a matter of record that the insurgent factions have in many occasions violated the ceasefire by attacking convoys of humanitarian relief and workers, destroying development projects under construction and killing the management staff and workers, Mr Beshir said. "We shall redouble our administrative, technical and security efforts to secure relief access to the needy before the rainfall season." En route to Khartoum, UN chief Kofi Annan, who is to meet Mr Powell here today, laid down the same demands and warned in Doha: "If that government is not able or willing to do it, the international community has to do something about it." Asked about Annan's idea of a UN peacekeeping force, Mr Powell said he thought the size and remoteness of Darfur and the lack of countries willing to contribute troops would make it "very problematic." "The better answer is to have the Sudanese government take control," he said.