Pentagon: China No. 1 thread to global security.

[Yorick]

Messed up.

[pritchke]

Actually I just found out that the US has a contract or agreement with Taiwan to protect it if China invades. If this is so than they should honor that commitment. So I take back what I said on not getting involved.

But try to resolve it by diplomacy first of course as opposed to war with China.

I would prefer my country to not be involved since we have no military worth talking about and no contract or promise.

If a war were to occur I see it spreading as North Korea would likely take it as an opportunity to attack South Korea and that would drag other countries in the smaller wars. Causing the US to fight two wars on two fronts. Not really a good scenerio. Not to mention the terrorist that will use these wars to there advantage causing havoc in other parts of the world.

Messed up indeed!!


[ 06-25-2004, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by pritchke: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: I've noticed the economic destruction that President Bush's policies have brought upon the USA, the largest growth in GNP in nearly 20 years, 10 years past the economy of the 90's.

GNP is not a good way to measure the economy. WARS, diseases and disasters can increase the GNP. I would take a look at your spending and how far you are going in the red because Bush hit a home run in the red. This will affect future generations. I posted an article on on GNP while back. An increase in GNP is not always a good thing. Actually it may have been the GDP? Whatever, if you go so far in the red and believe everything is peachy you are in for a rude awakening.

Originally posted by John D Harris: I've noticed the economic destruction that President Bush's policies have brought upon the USA, the largest growth in GNP in nearly 20 years, 10 years past the economy of the 90's. Just out of idle couriousity what's the growth of Canada's GNP? the Unemployement rate?, the interest rates? the inflation rate? what was the percentage of job growth last quarter? the quarter before that? Of the new jobs created in Canada are nearly 60% of them in the service sector where the average pay is higher then the national average like in the USA? Are there more people employed then ever before(actual numbers of people)?

Not sure what any of this has to do with the current discussion. Sounds like a Paul Martin tactic to evade the issue and hes a liberal by the way. [/QUOTE]The rest of it has to do with the Economy that YOU contented was bad, I understand the GNP is not the only factor, that is why I asked the other questions. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by pritchke: I am sorry but as long as Bush Jr. and his minions is in power the No. 1 threat to global security is the US itself and the No. 1 treat to the American economy is Bush himself. Economic warfare my bum!!! God knows which country he go after next. I am sure Cuba is first on his list of evil doers.

Don't be shy tell us how you really feel [img]smile.gif[/img]
Just so you know, Bush is doing so bad with the domestic economy that EVERY major Economic indicator is up and doing better than in the mid 90's according to the Same government officials that reported on the Clinton Administration.

Jobs are up, Inflation is down, interest rates are low, the orders for durable goods is up, Industrial production is up, and even manufacturing jobs are up....the Dems can't use the economy against Bush and they know it [img]smile.gif[/img]
and the Number 1 gaurentee of global security is still the USA, as evidenced by the fact that when anyone needs help....thats where they turn. Your just jealous [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by pritchke: Yes, I agree North Korea is somewhat of a threat and should be dealt with by diplomacy. China isn't a threat unless you want to make it one. Al quada and other terrorist are real threats because fanatics can't be reasoned with the only thing they will answer to is a bullet between the eyes.

I suppose you missed all those attempts to do just that with North Korea in the 90's and how they lied time after time and turned the nuclear plants President Clinton gave them for their word to be good into weapons factories [img]smile.gif[/img] With that kind of diplomacy you would have fit right in with Custer at his last stand [img]smile.gif[/img] ...on the other hand...you would make an excellent officer of the UN Resolution Comittee>


I don't believe that any nation has recognized Taiwan as an independant state and China has in the past threatened all out nuclear war if the USA ever does. I think we should but the consequences would be too terrible if China actually nuked Taiwan..which they promised to do. China will accept no less than the complete re-integration of Taiwan....as for their trustworthyness look at Hong Kong....many a promise of governmental freedom was made andnot kept once the Brits turned it back over to them.

Originally posted by pritchke: Actually I just found out that the US has a contract or agreement with Taiwan to protect it if China invades. If this is so than they should honor that commitment. So I take back what I said on not getting involved. Didn't I tell you that in my first post? But try to resolve it by diplomacy first of course as opposed to war with China. This is exactly what the US has been doing for what? 50 years...so I think we already know how to do the job [img]smile.gif[/img] I would prefer my country to not be involved since we have no military worth talking about and no contract or promise. Ahh but you do have contracts and promises to the USA....but I suppose those can be overlooked because you don't like Bush? If a war were to occur I see it spreading as North Korea would likely take it as an opportunity to attack South Korea and that would drag other countries in the smaller wars. Causing the US to fight two wars on two fronts. Not really a good scenerio. Not to mention the terrorist that will use these wars to there advantage causing havoc in other parts of the world. Messed up indeed!! Indeed!

[quote]Originally posted by pritchke:

Originally posted by John D Harris: [qb]I've noticed the economic destruction that President Bush's policies have brought upon the USA, the largest growth in GNP in nearly 20 years, 10 years past the economy of the 90's.

GNP is not a good way to measure the economy. WARS, diseases and disasters can increase the GNP. I would take a look at your spending and how far you are going in the red because Bush hit a home run in the red. This will affect future generations. I posted an article on on GNP while back. An increase in GNP is not always a good thing. Actually it may have been the GDP? Whatever, if you go so far in the red and believe everything is peachy you are in for a rude awakening.


If you were just a bit older you might recognize your economic disaster claims are EXACTLY the same ones President Reagan had leveled at his policy of being tough with the USSR....everyone said he would start a Nuclear war and that he would ruin the economy....and instead he won the war and had an economy that sustained the longest period of economic growth in history...and as history has shown...we are doing quite well judging by the number of SUV's and $40,000 cars I see on the road..

edit: As for Ducking the issue...you did just that. What JD said had everything to do with our current GOOD economic indicators. ALL of the same ones used by the Liberal Democratic side of things are still showing records on the good side [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 06-25-2004, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[pritchke]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by pritchke: Yes, I agree North Korea is somewhat of a threat and should be dealt with by diplomacy. China isn't a threat unless you want to make it one. Al quada and other terrorist are real threats because fanatics can't be reasoned with the only thing they will answer to is a bullet between the eyes.

I suppose you missed all those attempts to do just that with North Korea in the 90's and how they lied time after time and turned the nuclear plants President Clinton gave them for their word to be good into weapons factories [img]smile.gif[/img] With that kind of diplomacy you would have fit right in with Custer at his last stand [img]smile.gif[/img] ...on the other hand...you would make an excellent officer of the UN Resolution Comittee>


I don't believe that any nation has recognized Taiwan as an independant state and China has in the past threatened all out nuclear war if the USA ever does. I think we should but the consequences would be too terrible if China actually nuked Taiwan..which they promised to do. China will accept no less than the complete re-integration of Taiwan....as for their trustworthyness look at Hong Kong....many a promise of governmental freedom was made andnot kept once the Brits turned it back over to them.

[/QUOTE]I really don't think China would nuke Taiwan to get it back as it would defeat the purpose. Plus I think they would prefer to avoid war not the same leader as it used to have. Hong Kong isn't doing to bad still as quite a bit of freedom considering it is now a part of China. China probably does not want to mess around to much with Hong Kong as it is an economic powerhouse in the region.

You have an agreement with Taiwan so you should keep it. Yes, the consequences would be too terrible if there was a war. Think of the opportunistic terrorist and North Korea taking advantage of a war between China and the US, to invade South Korea. Eventually the whole world would get dragged into a war weather they wanted to be involved in the US China thing. Very Bad!!! This is were diplomacy must rule out or we will be faced with WWIII.

[ 06-25-2004, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

Originally posted by pritchke:

I really don't think China would nuke Taiwan to get it back as it would defeat the purpose. Plus I think they would prefer to avoid war not the same leader as it used to have. Hong Kong isn't doing to bad still as quite a bit of freedom considering it is now a part of China. China probably does not want to mess around to much with Hong Kong as it is an economic powerhouse in the region.

You have an agreement with Taiwan so you should keep it. Yes, the consequences would be too terrible if there was a war. Think of the opportunistic terrorist and North Korea taking advantage of a war between China and the US, to invade South Korea. Eventually the whole world would get dragged into a war weather they wanted to be involved in the US China thing. Very Bad!!! This is were diplomacy must rule out or we will be faced with WWIII. [/QB][/QUOTE]


Wether you think China would nuke Taiwan rather than loose it....You do know that in the 1960's China let 20 MILLION people die of starvation rather than ask for outside help? (had a huge fammine) Do you really think people with that kind of mindset would think twice about Nuking Taiwan before allowing it to become independant? Would you bet your mothers life on it? or your own?

I didn't say Hong Kong was doing badly...or well for that matter I said that they are not living in the land they were promised by Chinese leaders...and from what I have read written by people who lived there before and after....Hong Kong is not a very happy place these days...or a very free one.

[pritchke]

Originally posted by MagiK: we are doing quite well judging by the number of SUV's and $40,000 cars I see on the road..

I would prefer that there were not so many SUV's on the road.

[ 06-25-2004, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]