FOX is sometimes my Favorite Channel

[Barry the Sprout]

None of which changes the fact that what they report is often biased and none of which changes the fact that they claim it isn't. Mka eyour mind up John, either its impossible to avoid bias or they don't need to worry about it as they have a decent enough spread of opinions that it doesn't matter.

I'll reiterate - what pisses me off is that they claim they aren't biased when they clearly are. you seem to have two different justifications of this, one that says being biased is unavoidable and the otehr which says they aren't biased at all. Am I the only person who thinks that they contradict each other?

[Dreamer128]

In the search for 'good journalism' you can use the Code of Bordeaux as checklist. It's a set of guidelines for journalists from all countries. Although I do believe that the American press also has it's own code.

DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES ON
THE CONDUCT OF JOURNALISTS
(by International Federation of Journalists)

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Adopted by the Second World Congress of the International Federation of Journalists at Bordeaux on 25-28 April 1954 and amended by the 18th IFJ World Congress in Helsingör on 2-6 June 1986.

This international Declaration is proclaimed as a standard of professional conduct for journalists engaged in gathering, transmitting, disseminating and commenting on news and information and in describing events.


Respect for truth and for the right of the public to truth is the first duty of the journalist.

In pursuance of this duty, the journalist shall at all times defend the principles of freedom in the honest collection and publication of news, and of the right of fair comment and criticism.

The journalist shall report only in accordance with facts of which he/ she knows the origin. The journalist shall not suppress essential information or falsify documents.

The journalist shall use only fair methods to obtain news, photographs and documents.

The journalist shall do the utmost to rectify any published information which is found to be harmfully inaccurate.

The journalist shall observe professional secrecy regarding the source of information obtained in confidence.

The journalist shall be aware of the danger of discrimination being furthered by the media, and shall do the utmost to avoid facilitating such discrimination based on, among other things, race, sex, sexual orientation, language, religion, political or other opinions, and national or social origins.

The journalist shall regard as grave professional offences the following:

- plagiarism
- malicious misrepresentation
- calumny, slander, libel, unfounded accusations
- the acceptance of a bribe in any form in consideration of either publication or suppression.

Journalists worthy of that name shall deem in their duty to observe faithfully the principles stated above. Within the general law of each country the journalist shall recognize in professional matters the jurisdiction of colleagues only, to the exclusion of every kind of interference by governments or others.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: None of which changes the fact that what they report is often biased and none of which changes the fact that they claim it isn't. Mka eyour mind up John, either its impossible to avoid bias or they don't need to worry about it as they have a decent enough spread of opinions that it doesn't matter. I'll reiterate - what pisses me off is that they claim they aren't biased when they clearly are. you seem to have two different justifications of this, one that says being biased is unavoidable and the otehr which says they aren't biased at all. Am I the only person who thinks that they contradict each other?

My mind is made up Barry, There is Zero, Zadda, as in None, contradiction in saying there is bias in ALL analysis and that there can be fair and balanced analysis. They CAN SPREAD the bias around, and thus give an "ON THE WHOLE" a fair and balanced look.
Let me walk you through this step by step: R = Ringwing analysis,L = Leftwing analysis, C = Center view analysis.
Network = Shows 1-6
Show 1 = R
Show 2 = L
Show 3 = C
Show 4 = C
Show 5 = R
Show 6 = L
on balance and when looked at as a whole and not in the narrow view of only one or two shows. you see the network as a whole is balanced, yet THERE exists bias in the analysis, the two are not and never have or will ever be mutualy exclusive.

[ 02-02-2004, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

[Barry the Sprout]

Well, I'm sorry but I very strongly disagree. Its a contradiction in terms to say that because of all the bias there isn't any bias. The sentence is quite literally nonsense.

I'm not saying that if they really do have an equal spread of opinions then that isn't commendable, but to say that a positive amount of bias can contribute to having no bias at all is ludicrous. By virtue of the very fact you've described the lack of bias in terms of the bias present you's admitted that there is in fact a bias.

Also, from my acquantance with the channel I have yet to see anything on there I would even consider approacing the centre mark. Just this morning there was a program I caught a few minutes of remarking on how if Bush were re-elected we could all expect to get much richer! Thats not a fair and balanced opinion, its almost a party political broadcast...

[warnie]

honestly ,after all the left wing leaning garbage you hear on the major networks , its kinda refreshing to hear another view point.
They do try to balance somewhat thier views but yes they are biased as all reporting is.

the only unbiased thing Ive come across is the Bible, then again......lol

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: Well, I'm sorry but I very strongly disagree. Its a contradiction in terms to say that because of all the bias there isn't any bias. The sentence is quite literally nonsense. I'm not saying that if they really do have an equal spread of opinions then that isn't commendable, but to say that a positive amount of bias can contribute to having no bias at all is ludicrous. By virtue of the very fact you've described the lack of bias in terms of the bias present you's admitted that there is in fact a bias. Also, from my acquantance with the channel I have yet to see anything on there I would even consider approacing the centre mark. Just this morning there was a program I caught a few minutes of remarking on how if Bush were re-elected we could all expect to get much richer! Thats not a fair and balanced opinion, its almost a party political broadcast...

Barry, I NEVER said there was not Bias, BUT bais DOES NOT equal unfairness, Bias is Not the opposite of fair. In Your above example you site only the show you watched, I've seen shows on Fox where they have people on telling how bad it will be if President Bush gets re-elected. Anylasis is just an opinion, good anylasis is an opinion with the facts and logic used to reach the conclusion also presented. You can decide for yourself if you agree or not. The problem I have is making statements about bias being bad, while having bias. You bet your sweet bippy I got Bias, BUT I don't complain about others bias, I complain about the logic, reasoning, thought process or lack there of, that leads to the bias.

[InjaYew]

Barry, this one's for you.

John, don't look. You won't like it.

http://fauxnewschannel.com/

[Davros]

Originally posted by InjaYew: Barry, this one's for you. John, don't look. You won't like it. http://fauxnewschannel.com/

Thanks - I enjoyed that

[InjaYew]

Good! I find it somewhat cathartic.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by InjaYew: Barry, this one's for you. John, don't look. You won't like it. http://fauxnewschannel.com/

Pretty funny, don't ever make the mistake of thinking I can't take a joke. You'll discover I'm a MAN, not a child that whines and crys when people don't agree with me and call me names, or when things in the world don't go my way. I stand up for what I believe to be right, I laugh at what I think is funny, and I don't try to make others agree with me, nor do I care if they agree. But don't ever try to pull the wool over my eyes, or use hypocritical logic or tactics. I'll rip your throat out like a tiger killing baby deer. Ain't nature wonderful the way the animals treat each other with such kindness and compassion