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Old 12-31-2003, 10:51 AM   #1
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1) Demand regime change in Syria and Iran

2) Cuba style blockade of North Korea

3) Treat countries like Saudi Arabia and France, not as allies, but as enemies


What do you think? Will it work or will it cause even more trouble?
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Old 12-31-2003, 10:57 AM   #2
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Cuba style blockade hehehehhe Umm I saw that headline too....someone ought to tell someone that Cuba is an island...North Korea is not.

As for treating countries like enemies...how about this instead....treat them as they deserve to be treated..if they are friendly toward you treat them as friends...if they work counter to your welfare and subvert your efforts to ensure your own safety (after having had theirs in part granted to them by you and your efforts)..treat them as the enemies they are.


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Old 12-31-2003, 10:58 AM   #3
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Bonjour, Donut.
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Old 12-31-2003, 11:22 AM   #4
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Donut seems to be referenceing this article from the Weekly Telegraph.

THIS ARTICLE



Hope I did not spoil anything, Donut. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Old 12-31-2003, 01:07 PM   #5
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Donut seems to be referenceing this article from the Weekly Telegraph.

THIS ARTICLE

{Memnoch - edited link}

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Not at all skywalker. I imagine this story was front page in the US today

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Old 01-03-2004, 05:03 AM   #6
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A little extreme with respect of France I think. Surprised not to hear Germany mentioned at all.
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Old 01-10-2004, 07:36 PM   #7
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Donut seems to be referenceing this article from the Weekly Telegraph.

THIS ARTICLE

{Memnoch - edited link}

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These Neo-imperialist and PNAC types really have a most endearing frankness about them. But what is even more impressive is their unmateched ability to simplify the most complex problems in such a way that one feels prompted to
shout:"Wow, how come that didn't occur to me!"

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As North Korea will probably refuse such terms, the book urges a Cuba-style military blockade and overt preparations for war, including the rapid pullback of US forces from the inter-Korean border so that they move out of range of North Korean artillery.

Such steps, with luck, will prompt China to oust its nominal ally, Kim Jong-il, and install a saner regime in North Korea, the authors write.
If they now only suggested a way how to also pull Seoul out of the range of the NK artillery ...

Employing China actually does seem like a very smart idea to me. But as far as I know that is already being done and the scary conclusion one apparently has to draw from the results so far is that even Beijing has lost much of its influence over the NK regime.

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The book calls for tough action against France and its dreams of offsetting US power. "We should force European governments to choose between Paris and Washington," it states. Britain's independence from Europe should be preserved, perhaps with open access for British arms to American defence markets.
Wow, there seem to be exactly two groups of people left in the universe who think that France is still THAT powerful today - some leftover Gaullists (aged at least 75) and the Neo-Imps. But one has to be understanding: who would have thought that the Evil Empire is so very hard to replace in their worldview.

And it breaks my heart that I have to the one who breaks the bad news to them: even if deployed immediately, the US Navy will arrive alomst 200 years too late to assist the British in the Battle of Trafalgar. But it is, of course,the thought that counts. I have been told, though, that Nelson managed quiet well all by himself.

Hint (not only to the Neo-Imps): if your aim is to gain a somewhat realistic picture of the complex, often outright confusing and contradictatory realities of modern Europe and its politics, it is very advisable NOT to base it entirely on what you get to read and watch in the Murdoch media outlets on both sides of the Atlantic.

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Old 01-10-2004, 10:18 PM   #8
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France just said, like many other countries, that a war against Iraq wouldnt be the best idea cause : 1 - There was no real reasons, 2 - It wouldnt make things better. Was France THAT wrong ?

It was just a friendly advice. France didn't act as an enemy of the US really.
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Old 01-11-2004, 03:27 AM   #9
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Ramonster, Donut, or Skywalker (I don't know which) may want to consider modifying their posts, including links, so that the thread's horizontal size is reduced for easier reading.
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Old 01-11-2004, 07:18 AM   #10
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For you Timber, no problem!


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