What should happen to this man? - Page 2

Timber Loftis · 07-15-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Rokenn:
Traci Lords was in Penthouse when she was 15 [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Yeah, sent there by her step-father, who raped her when the whimsy hit him.

Animal · 07-15-2003, 06:39 PM

So when he found out she was only 12, why not turn around and walk the other way? The article indicates that they both dissappeared together. If it were me, I would be phoning her parents and shipping her back alone.

If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, and sounds like a rat...

Night Stalker · 07-15-2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Animal:
So when he found out she was only 12, why not turn around and walk the other way? The article indicates that they both dissappeared together. If it were me, I would be phoning her parents and shipping her back alone.

If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, and sounds like a rat...

It's still for a court to decide and he's innocent until prooven guilty.

Animal · 07-15-2003, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Night Stalker:

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Originally posted by Animal:
So when he found out she was only 12, why not turn around and walk the other way? The article indicates that they both dissappeared together. If it were me, I would be phoning her parents and shipping her back alone.

If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, and sounds like a rat...

It's still for a court to decide and he's innocent until prooven guilty. [/QUOTE]Of course, and I'm not saying otherwise, however you must admit that the whole situation does seem very strange.

The Hunter of Jahanna · 07-15-2003, 07:45 PM

I think we should cut this guy some slack. Maybe the girl in question sent him some pics where she didnt look 12. Maybe she misrepresented her age,living situation and just about everything else about herself to this poor guy. I also have to ask, WHERE WERE HER PARENTS?!?!?!?! When I was 12, a snoball had a better chance in hell, than I had of laying my hands on my passport. Also, if they crossed any borders why didnt any pasport checkers stop the girl?? Is it a common thing in Europe for 12 yr olds to go to other countries without their parents?? Better yet is it a common thing for 12 yr old to travel without their parents , but with a man from another country?? This guy may or may not deserve to go to jail, but either way , I think that there should be a few other heads on the chopping block ahead of him.

Donut · 07-15-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Rokenn:

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Originally posted by Cloudbringer:
I saw that story on BBC news yesterday. I didn't see a pic of the girl but supposedly she's only 12, so I find it hard to imagine she could look/sound 19.

If he did think (honestly) she was after meeting her, I wonder how he never caught sight of her passport which would indicate birthdate on it. She had to show it in several airports, didn't she?

I've know woman in there mid 20's that looked 12-14. My neice looked 19 when she was 13 (my jaw about dropped on the floor when I saw her.) And if he honestly did believe her way would be try and sneak a peek at her passport.

edit: actually if she had an EU passport and he had an American passport they would have gone through entirely different lines at customs. [/QUOTE]Agreed it's possible that he was fooled. But looking at the photo of the spotty faced child that has been released he shouldn't have been fooled for long. They would pass through the same line at Heathrow but on arrival at Paris she would probably be waved through.

Of course he has twice been investigated by police in the US for alleged improper behaviour with children. He was arrested but charges were dropped.

Where is she now?

Donut · 07-15-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:

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Originally posted by Rokenn:
Given the fact that the girl passed herself off as 18+ (and he can prove it via chat logs of her and his computer) and if a reasonable person would believe that seeing her then I would say he did nothing wrong. Otherwise people would have to start carding their dates

But this is EXACTLY what the law is. Statutory rape is a STRICT LIABILITY crime. It does not matter if she lied to you, it does not matter if any reasonable person would believe she's 18. It's still statutory rape. And, you get to be labelled a sex crime offender forever. So, yes, when in doubt -- card you date. [/QUOTE]There is no such crime as statutory rape in the UK. Not sure about France.

Donut · 07-15-2003, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by The Hunter of Jahanna:
I think we should cut this guy some slack. Maybe the girl in question sent him some pics where she didnt look 12. Maybe she misrepresented her age,living situation and just about everything else about herself to this poor guy. I also have to ask, WHERE WERE HER PARENTS?!?!?!?! When I was 12, a snoball had a better chance in hell, than I had of laying my hands on my passport. Also, if they crossed any borders why didnt any pasport checkers stop the girl?? Is it a common thing in Europe for 12 yr olds to go to other countries without their parents?? Better yet is it a common thing for 12 yr old to travel without their parents , but with a man from another country?? This guy may or may not deserve to go to jail, but either way , I think that there should be a few other heads on the chopping block ahead of him.

Once again we have the defence of the indefencible. It's everyone's fault apart from his.

khazadman · 07-15-2003, 08:13 PM

Right about now I'm sure this guy is wishing he'd kept is ass at home. If they catch him, they should send him back to the UK and let them decide what they want to do with him.

The Hunter of Jahanna · 07-15-2003, 08:24 PM

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Once again we have the defence of the indefencible. It's everyone's fault apart from his.

I never said it wasnt his fault. Just that it wasnt ONLY his fault. I dont know enough of the story to jump to a conclusion yet.

View Poll Results: What should happen to this man?
Return to the UK and explain to the police that you've done nothing wrong	13	59.09%
Return to the US under your own steam	3	13.64%
Keep running!	4	18.18%
Stay low and we will extricate you to the US. As an American citizen we will protect you from any charges.	1	4.55%
It's nothing to do with us. You may or may not have commited a crime in the UK	1	4.55%
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07-15-2003, 06:39 PM	#12
Animal Gold Dragon Join Date: March 29, 2002 Location: Canada Age: 52 Posts: 2,534	So when he found out she was only 12, why not turn around and walk the other way? The article indicates that they both dissappeared together. If it were me, I would be phoning her parents and shipping her back alone. If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, and sounds like a rat... __________________ It\'s all fun and games until somebody loses an eye...then it becomes a sport.<br /> [img]\"http://members.shaw.ca/mtholdings/bsmeter.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

07-15-2003, 07:45 PM	#15
The Hunter of Jahanna Emerald Dragon Join Date: September 25, 2001 Location: NY , NY Age: 64 Posts: 960	I think we should cut this guy some slack. Maybe the girl in question sent him some pics where she didnt look 12. Maybe she misrepresented her age,living situation and just about everything else about herself to this poor guy. I also have to ask, WHERE WERE HER PARENTS?!?!?!?! When I was 12, a snoball had a better chance in hell, than I had of laying my hands on my passport. Also, if they crossed any borders why didnt any pasport checkers stop the girl?? Is it a common thing in Europe for 12 yr olds to go to other countries without their parents?? Better yet is it a common thing for 12 yr old to travel without their parents , but with a man from another country?? This guy may or may not deserve to go to jail, but either way , I think that there should be a few other heads on the chopping block ahead of him. __________________ \"How much do I love you?? I\'ll tell you one thing, it\'d be a whole hell of a lot more if you stopped nagging me and made me a friggin sandwich.\"

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khazadman User suspended until [Feb13] Join Date: December 6, 2001 Location: the south side of ol virginny Age: 64 Posts: 1,172	Right about now I'm sure this guy is wishing he'd kept is ass at home. If they catch him, they should send him back to the UK and let them decide what they want to do with him.

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