Bush: Bring Em On!

[john]

Sissyboy? would that possibly be a cheerleader'who joined the national guard(and never showed up)to avoid the draft??? Dump the punk !!

[Animal]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Animal: I'm pretty sure though, that Clinton managed to 'prove' his manhood while he was in the Whitehouse. [img]smile.gif[/img] On a couple of seperate occasions, IIRC.

It doesn't take a "MAN" to boink a girl 30 years his junior. Just boinking anything that moves and is slightly feminine doesn't make a person a man. It takes character and integrity. Accountability and responsibility. And maturity. Personally my opinion is, he lacked all of those. [/QUOTE]Clinton was a 'real person.' He showed his flaws, like every man has. If you think that Bush doesn't have flaws, then I've got some waterfront property in Saskatchewan I'd like to sell you

Clinton was real, down to earth. He represented the average Joe. I respect that a lot more than some prissy, draft dodger.

[Mr. Mopery]

Originally posted by Animal: Clinton was real, down to earth. He represented the average Joe. I respect that a lot more than some prissy, draft dodger.

Um...actually, Clinton was a prissy draft dodger. He avoided the draft just as Bush did, though definitely with more panache.

I think Clinton was a much better politician and statesman (however you choose to interpret those things) than Bush. As is easily seen, I think Bush is a thick-witted kid who's ridden on the family fortune to office.

But that doesn't make Clinton any more respectable, despite his obvious talents.

I voted for Clinton but I still think he should have been impeached in a heartbeat for perjury. No matter how you slice it, he lied and the fact that the American public accepted it still pisses me off. His sex life was his own business, but lying under oath while president was a crime.

Originally posted by skywalker: You know Cerek not everyone is satisfied with Mr. President's performance over the last few years. I am one of them that isn't. Understand that these are my opinions and not necessarily those of the American people in general. Mark

Your right Mark, not everyone is. Just most people.

While we are on the subject. American Service men have been going in harms way and have been targets ever since WWII finished up. The press doesnt expound upon it unless they can use it in their political agenda. How many of you knew about dozens of Marines and Sailors being Killed in Puerto Rico in the 80's? Not very many of you I'll bet. The fact that we had a 43 passenger school bus ambushed and most of the riders killed, It was carrying 40 some odd US Navy Service men who were unarmed. It barely made the news in the US.

The truth is, if you sign up, you are risking your life to serve the interests of your country. It might also be noted that Bush is FAR more popular and respected by the people he is commanding than his predecessor ever was.

How can anyone say Clinton was down to earth or represented the average joe? He has never once in his adult life lived on his own. He has ALWAYS been on the public payroll. Now of course he isn't but his wife is....not to mention the cash he is raking in hand over fist from speaking engagements in the land of Academe and in nations that oppose our foreign policy.

Bush may sound like he is think witted, that southern Texas accent and all, but Ill bet he is a cut above most people here. Even rich boys are not given a pass to get the keys to an F-16. Frankly his grades were as good or better than many in office today.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Mr. Mopery: quote: Originally posted by Animal: Clinton was real, down to earth. He represented the average Joe. I respect that a lot more than some prissy, draft dodger.

Um...actually, Clinton was a prissy draft dodger. He avoided the draft just as Bush did, though definitely with more panache.

I think Clinton was a much better politician and statesman (however you choose to interpret those things) than Bush. As is easily seen, I think Bush is a thick-witted kid who's ridden on the family fortune to office.

But that doesn't make Clinton any more respectable, despite his obvious talents.

I voted for Clinton but I still think he should have been impeached in a heartbeat for perjury. No matter how you slice it, he lied and the fact that the American public accepted it still pisses me off. His sex life was his own business, but lying under oath while president was a crime. [/QUOTE]I can agree with about half of what you say here, Mr. Mopery. Clinton was a better statesman, because he is willing to say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear and Bush isn't. Not knocking Clinton on that point, because that is what a good diplomat or statesman does...he disagrees with his opponents in a very "agreeable" manner.

But to say that he avoided the draft with more panache??? He just left the country...not much panache required to do that. If anything, I would say Bush had more panache. He avoided the draft but can still claim military experience on his resume'. As for him "not showing up"....that was all over an incident that occurred when he transferred from Texas to Louisana (IIRC). The paperwork didn't follow through in a timely manner, but I looked this up over a year ago when someone else made that same accusation. I actually found documentation that accounted for Bush's whereabouts during the entire period in question.

Now then, whether those records were authentic or not is another question, but they certainly appeared to be legitimate.

{I know you didn't make the accusation about Bush not showing up for his National Guard duty, but I figured I would go ahead and address that accusation while I was here}

[Bardan the Slayer]

Originally posted by MagiK: Bush may sound like he is think witted, that southern Texas accent and all, but Ill bet he is a cut above most people here. Even rich boys are not given a pass to get the keys to an F-16. Frankly his grades were as good or better than many in office today.

I think most people would be insulted that a man who waved at Ray Charles to get his attention is meant to be a 'cut above' them.

I am a linguist. If ever there was a person who didn't give a damn about how he sounded, it's me. It's not his accent that is the problem, it is his words. If you say a stupid thing, it remains a stupid thing no matter *what* accent it is in.

"I would like to thank Nasal Beard for that warm welcome." -- George Bush, thanking Hazel Beard, mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, in 1992.

Now before anyone says "oh, it was just a little slip", think about it - this is a man in charge of a country, a job where diplomacy and being able to cope with different people and places is essential. Where is is not good to call someone "Nasal Beard". Where it is not advisable to call people 'assholes' in front of microphones without checking they are turned off.

"Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning?" -- George W. Bush

If this is a man who is a 'cut above the rest', I hate to see what America's school system is churning out.

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." George W. Bush

Yes, it's a problem we all suffer from, George. Try a spoon.

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." George W. Bush

Thank god. J Edgar Hoover has the cross-dresser legacy all to himself.

Yes, taken on their own, any of these would be 'little' slips, but there is a whole catalogue of things this man has said that would make you think he is under-qualified to serve me fast food, never mind meet with world leaders.

And no, they may not give the keys to aircraft out to rich kids, but i bet they bend the rules for rich, ex-president's kids.

The man is a laughing stock on the international scene. This is not because of some terrible plot by the left-wing press to discredit him. It is not because the realm of Academia doesn't like his southern drawl. It is because GWB is as thick as two short planks. No clever dodging by any republican will ever convince any objective person that he is any more than a figurehead designed specifically to appeal to the voters who want the president to be a cowboy, a REAL man, a guy they would go out drinking with, rather than a man with any modicum of talent in any area.

Oh, and it's not just us, the terrible left-wing academics, who doubt GWB's mental integrity. When his family was being entertained by this country's Royal Family, The Queen approached GWB to begin the meaningless plesantries that are required on such occasions. Barbera Bush, who had been watching like a hawk, swooped upon the Queen and diverted her from her lovely, but rather thick-witted son, before he could say somehting cringe-makingly embarrasing or inhumanly stupid.

You can say whatever you want about Slick Willie, but at least when he met with a world leader, I had some degree of confidence that he would pronounce their name correctly, and would have done his homework, putting him in a knowledgeable position about the matter in hand. I felt that when Clinton read a speech, he did so easily and with fluidity because he himself had had a part in writing it, or at the very least because he had studied it, memorised some of it, and had the mental discipline to avoid the GWB-style of speech reading which is as follows :

"Hey folks. [first sentence of speech]"
Pause.
Look down at paper.
Read second line
"[second line of speech]"
Pause.
Look down at paper.
Read third line of speech.
"[Third line of speech]"

Which just gives everyone in the world the impression that GWB is a rather slow-witted individual, reading a pre-prepared, unseen speech sentence by sentence. I think we get this impression because it is the truth, not some vast conspiracy.

Oh, how surprising that this rich, ex-president's son went through school and got decent grades. It's about as surprising as learning that Prince Harry was head of the international polo team based purely on his skill at playing the game. yeah, right (!)

As long as GWB continues to display the intelligence long associated with people in the British Royal Family, then i will view any grades he has been bought/given/earned, and any 'accomplishments' attributed to him, with the greatest of suspicion.

[pritchke]

Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer: "Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning?" -- George W. Bush If this is a man who is a 'cut above the rest', I hate to see what America's school system is churning out.

Here is an article you might be interested in. Of course it is a UN report so it probably does not mean very much. It seems that spending more per student does not necessarily mean better results either.

Canadian teenagers trailed only Finland, Korea, Hong Kong and China in a test designed to gauge the reading abilities of students nearing the completion of high school. Other countries in the top 10 were Japan, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia and Britain. The United States placed 16th.

http://www.nationalpost.com/utilitie...2-4EC0C0B4624C

[Mr. Mopery]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: I can agree with about half of what you say here, Mr. Mopery. Clinton was a better statesman, because he is willing to say whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear and Bush isn't. Not knocking Clinton on that point, because that is what a good diplomat or statesman does...he disagrees with his opponents in a very "agreeable" manner. But to say that he avoided the draft with more panache??? He just left the country...not much panache required to do that. If anything, I would say Bush had more panache. He avoided the draft but can still claim military experience on his resume'. -snip- (sorry)

I don't really know that much about Bush's days in the Guard and I just ran across the bit about him "missing a year" online, thought I'd post it and see what people thought. If there was some kind of clerical error, my mistake, though I appreciate that you leave some room for doubt on the issue. It's not worth belabouring the point, either way.

But I definitely think Clinton avoided the draft with more panache. He went to, where...Oxford was it? On a prestigious scholarship. There is evidence that he earned the trip to Oxford on his own merits, whereas Bush got into the Guard because one of his father's friends made a "request".

Plus Bush was stuck mostly in Texas; Clinton went to Europe and saw something different. I'm sorry if anybody out there loves Texas dearly...please understand that I lived in that state for much longer than was medically advisable, in Dallas, Houston and Harlingen...but I think it's a fairly crap state. Lousy architecture, pre-fabricated everything and a very wasteful consumer culture. Yes, I'm flaming the state but I was forced to live there long enough that I'm damned well entitled. Grr!

(pant, pant...gasp...hic...sigh) Annoyance fading...fading...gone.

Sorry for that. And yes, by all means you Texans out there are welcome to throw some mud back at me.

Anyway, my point was that Clinton got to see the world, got a good education and there's some argument for the idea that he earned his opportunity to dodge the draft. Bush needed a phone call and a memo from Daddy's friend.

[HolyWarrior]

Liberal logic never fails to astound me.

I suppose these people who think George W is advocating attacks on U.S. troops would also think that Patrick Henry was advocating suicide with "Give me liberty or give me death!" I suppose they think the U.S. commander was ordering hors d'oeuvres when responding "Nuts!" to a German demand for surrender. I suppose they would think that Winston Churchill advocated the destruction of England when he said "We would rather see England plunged in ruins in ashes than that it should be tamely and abjectly enslaved."