PMS -- (tongue in cheek of course)

[Larry_OHF]

Can we say, oops!
Somebody's embarrased!!!

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I did not mean to come across as being "judgemental".
Seriously, I do feel for people who suffer!
If I didn't I would not have tried to be helpful to begin with.

If people would take control of their lives and I mean by that if they realize their self worth as being equal to the rest of the world's things would be easier to change.
To not take yourself seriously but to take others seriously shows a lack of faith in yourself...something no one should be without.

I should not be condemned for attempting to shed some light on a book that doesn't have to remain closed. Once twisted does not mean permanently doomed.

A psych ward is a pretty far cry from the outside ward where people who can pull themselves together really live. I did not say that everyone could be cured did I?

I think I merely stated the basics to building a foundation for better living and some people felt attacked by it and blew it out of proportion in saying that It was implied that they are inferior.

For them to gather that from valid and useful information shows an inability to cope with their own problems. Blame there does not lie with me, nor will I accept it because I tried to offer help.

I did not mention diet alone. I also added a totally different way of looking at things...a positive way. I did not say it is the cure but a start towards making life a better place to be. I also added that forgivenss can mean everything. It was a great tool in my helping myself, to forgive the people who had brought me so far down. I never said it was easy. I said it takes time and practice.

Not my intention at all to hurt people or anger them with my opinions but I am not the only person on the planet that has been cured and I get the feeling that you think I am or that you think I think I am.

With the exception of people who have been conditioned to taking meds for the rest of their lives, I don't think anyone is out of reach of making life better.
It takes a personal commitment. People won't fix you for you, you have to want to be fixed.

Have you guys seen where I stated that I have suffered from depression?
I know the inability to function that it brings...the pain...the illness.
I am not talking out my a$$ here.
We are all human...on that level we are going to have the same emotions. We just don't have to let them rule us.

Once again I am sorry I even said anything. If we could sit here and talk face to face you all might not take everything I am trying to point out in such a negative manner. Or maybe you would.

I really do care.

Moni



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[kiwidoc]

Moni these are the quotes from your posts that led people to think you were opposed to the concept that some PMS and some forms of Depression are physical illnesses that require treatment rather than something the person can do for themselves. This implies that they COULD do it but didn't. I have also included the statements that led people to believe you were oppesed to the use of medication and to psychiatry in general.


This is why I have kept replying to you. I feel that I am defending myself, my profession but first and foremost my patients.


If this is NOT what you meant to say, maybe you need to choose your words more carefully.




I do feel for women who can't (or won't try to) control what their bodies subject
Now, I just don't see where you can sit and coddle others over things that can be helped (like depression) with proper treatment. You're a professional aren't you?
Kiwidoc, I can appreciate that your profession requires people to remain mentally unstable but honestly, if there are no extenuating circumstances (i.e. painful or terminal medical conditions), is it really necessary for people to hold on to all the bad stuff that made them cry to begin with and carry it with them throughout their lives as a reason to remain miserable?

There are variables in how people allow themselves to react to emotional situations

Chemical medications aren't the answer. They may alleviate the symptoms and make everything seem better but they can cause adverse reactions and don't allow a brain to produce the right chemicals naturally. A person with positive effects from the drugs more than likely, will be taking them for the rest of their life.

It takes time and practice not to look at things from a negative point of view.
I believe enough in people to think that if I can do it, anyone can.

If someone is going to or has to keep themselves in an environment where there is constant negativity I can see how they could never be cured.

With the exception of people who have been conditioned to taking meds for the rest of their lives, I don't think anyone is out of reach of making life better.
It takes a personal commitment. People won't fix you for you, you have to want to be fixed

A psych ward is a pretty far cry from the outside ward where people who can pull themselves together really live. I did not say that everyone could be cured did I?



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Originally posted by kiwidoc: Moni these are the quotes from your posts that led people to think you were opposed to the concept that some PMS and some forms of Depression are physical illnesses that require treatment rather than something the person can do for themselves. This implies that they COULD do it but didn't. I have also included the statements that led people to believe you were oppesed to the use of medication and to psychiatry in general. If this is NOT what you meant to say, maybe you need to choose your words more carefully. I do feel for women who can't (or won't try to) control what their bodies subject Now, I just don't see where you can sit and coddle others over things that can be helped (like depression) with proper treatment. You're a professional aren't you? Kiwidoc, I can appreciate that your profession requires people to remain mentally unstable but honestly, if there are no extenuating circumstances (i.e. painful or terminal medical conditions), is it really necessary for people to hold on to all the bad stuff that made them cry to begin with and carry it with them throughout their lives as a reason to remain miserable? There are variables in how people allow themselves to react to emotional situations Chemical medications aren't the answer. They may alleviate the symptoms and make everything seem better but they can cause adverse reactions and don't allow a brain to produce the right chemicals naturally. A person with positive effects from the drugs more than likely, will be taking them for the rest of their life. It takes time and practice not to look at things from a negative point of view. I believe enough in people to think that if I can do it, anyone can. If someone is going to or has to keep themselves in an environment where there is constant negativity I can see how they could never be cured. With the exception of people who have been conditioned to taking meds for the rest of their lives, I don't think anyone is out of reach of making life better. It takes a personal commitment. People won't fix you for you, you have to want to be fixed A psych ward is a pretty far cry from the outside ward where people who can pull themselves together really live. I did not say that everyone could be cured did I?

Well when it is all taken out of context and printed up that way, it would certainly appear that you are right!

If you read my words for what they are and in context with the rest of what I say, and in response to what was said to me, you might understand just how carefully my words were chosen.

My very first statement in this thread was If I may point this out:
With a proper diet and a check on hormone levels, women don't have to suffer as seriously as some do. It is not necessary for women to suffer this in extremes.

women don't have to suffer as seriously as some do. It is not necessary for women to suffer this in extremes

in extremes...that does not imply that women do not have to suffer at all.
The fact that I don't suffer often or severly does not imply that I think all women can live with the same pleasure I do in not having to suffer, merely that as I stated, they don't have to suffer as seriously as some do.
I repeat it is not necessary for women to suffer in extremes. That looks fairly clear to me if you read it for what it is and not for what you would want it to imply.

I do feel for women who can't (or won't try to) control what their bodies subject them to
I did clarify that my sister is one who choses not to...I seriously doubt that she is the only person in the world that doesn't. It is not like I don't have a valid example of that statement being truth. I also stated that some women CAN'T or did you not see that?
My honestly helpful solution in lessening the effects have been backed up by Moridin...I don't see you beating his words into the ground for stating the same truth that I did!

Now, I just don't see where you can sit and coddle others over things that can be helped (like depression) with proper treatment. You're a professional aren't you?
Kiwidoc, I can appreciate that your profession requires people to remain mentally unstable but honestly, if there are no extenuating circumstances (i.e. painful or terminal medical conditions), is it really necessary for people to hold on to all the bad stuff that made them cry to begin with and carry it with them throughout their lives as a reason to remain miserable?

This was a mistake made on my part that I will readily admit in that in re-reading posts, I thought it was you and not Reeka who had made a statement "
Same thing with depression, some people act like it is your fault." and "
You were right to point out that it is serious."

My apologies for that misunderstanding but how come you think I would be attacking your profession when I clearly stated I appreciate the job you do unless you didn't want to see that?!

There are variables in how people allow themselves to react to emotional situations
Its the truth. If you are a studied Psychologist, you would know this.
People choose to react on their emotions in many different ways...it is one of the aspects of being able to classify who is paranoid, who is schizophrenic, who is depressed, etc.
I understand Psychiatry and Psychology are two different fields but one is closely so related to the other that you should need to understand Psychology before you practice Psychiatry.

This statement was also made in defense of what I had tried to say in an effort to help to begin with.

If I wanted to attack your profession, I would say that Psychiatry is not even recognized as a medical science. Its truth, but I didn't say it did I?

Chemical medications aren't the answer. They may alleviate the symptoms and make everything seem better but they can cause adverse reactions and don't allow a brain to produce the right chemicals naturally. A person with positive effects from the drugs more than likely, will be taking them for the rest of their life.

Are you saying that all people on medications for depression should stay on medications all their life and live in a drug induced fantasy world when there are methods to mental health that can make the use of drugs unnecessary?

It takes time and practice not to look at things from a negative point of view.
I believe enough in people to think that if I can do it, anyone can.

Another truth in the first statement. Ask anyone who has applied the will to change and has succeeded.
Key words in my second sentence are believe and think...nowhere were the words I know for a fact mentioned. For that to have been implied was wishful thinking on your part, not mine.

If someone is going to or has to keep themselves in an environment where there is constant negativity I can see how they could never be cured.

Where is this an attack on you? It is fact...in a depressive environment a depressed person can hardly expect to be happy and remain so.

With the exception of people who have been conditioned to taking meds for the rest of their lives, I don't think anyone is out of reach of making life better.
It takes a personal commitment. People won't fix you for you, you have to want to be fixed

Again, a statement of truth....again I ask...where is this an attack on you or your profession? If the steps toward better mental health are going to a Psychiatrist, than all the more power to you for helping them...but how many people that you treat are sentenced to see you and how many come by choice?
Those that choose to are making an effort. There is nothing wrong with that is there? And in the end, is it you that heals people or do you help them to understand themselves better so that they can heal themselves? Do you go into their brains and change the chemical production? Do you make a change in their lifestyle? Their diet? You can only suggest these things if you think they are going to make a difference...it is up to your patients to do it for themselves.

A psych ward is a pretty far cry from the outside ward where people who can pull themselves together really live. I did not say that everyone could be cured did I?

This was made in a response to Bilqis who mentioned the severity of people in psych wards and had nothing to do with you personally. But do please, re-read the last line there: I did not say that everyone could be cured did I?

I would beg you to take a step back and see how wrong you have me.

I get really tired of having to repeat myself when people can't see that I am not attacking them but defending my views be they from experience or fact.

I am sorry you took this all so persoanlly, I'll repeat before I leave, I really do care.

Moni

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[This message has been edited by Moni (edited 06-21-2001).]

[Pain-Wrath]

Ha, that was funny, it does bring tears in your eyes..*cringes* whoo, my stomach hurts now..


Damn it, die...DIEEEEEE!

Ladies please no arguing. I hate to see really nice Ladies arguing over anything, I would hate to see this get way out of hand and feelings get hurt on both sides. I have never been around a woman during here time of the month, but I do know this that everyones body is different. Some ways that work for one person, may or may not work for the next.

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[caleb]

"I have never been around a woman during her time of the month" You know I think that may be the single best advice to a man about PMS ever. RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!

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Originally posted by caleb: "I have never been around a woman during her time of the month" You know I think that may be the single best advice to a man about PMS ever. RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!

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Aaaaaaagggghhh!!! The Dough boy has joined wolfie's clan - KILL! DESTROY! SHAVE!!!


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Originally posted by bilqis: errrrr.. thanks Kiwidoc doll, but... errr.. I'm a WOMAN.

Oh my god, you mean to say that you had me fooled all this time !

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So long !

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[caleb]

Originally posted by Lord Shield: Aaaaaaagggghhh!!! The Dough boy has joined wolfie's clan - KILL! DESTROY! SHAVE!!!

Im the unwilling co-founder

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