so you want Oblivion to have NO Crashes at all

[TheCrimsomBlade]

well I'm useing a Duel Core Pent 4 3.04Ghz processor (thats 2 Pent 4 3.04 processors)
4GB DDR2 DIMM RAM
An ATI Radeon X1600XT video card that uses 4GB of DDR3 on board Ram
windows XP-Pro 64
and Oblivilon runs smOOOOOOOth as Butter!!

so all of you guys that said I should Have got an nVidia because
ATI causes games to crash and slow down and run choppy and has all
these problems and needs patches.
All I can say NA NA NAAA NAAA NA NA mine works better than yours [img]tongue.gif[/img] lol

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally posted by TheCrimsomBlade: well I'm useing a Duel Core Pent 4 3.04Ghz processor (thats 2 Pent 4 3.04 processors) 4GB DDR2 DIMM RAM An ATI Radeon X1600XT video card that uses 4GB of DDR3 on board Ram windows XP-Pro 64 and Oblivilon runs smOOOOOOOth as Butter!! so all of you guys that said I should Have got an nVidia because ATI causes games to crash and slow down and run choppy and has all these problems and needs patches. All I can say NA NA NAAA NAAA NA NA mine works better than yours [img]tongue.gif[/img] lol

I have read there are already ATI issues with Oblivion, actually. But of course, not everyone will have these issues.

On a side note, why would any card at present (nvidia or ati) have 4gig of on-board ram? Isn't that pure overkill?

[ 03-23-2006, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: SpiritWarrior ]

[Hivetyrant]

The AIT issues probably realte to older ATI cards that do not support all the cool stuff that the x1000 series do.

I think TCB just likes posting his comp speccs on as many threads as possible [img]tongue.gif[/img]

My question is, how did Bethesda not foresee this problem? Surely some of their staff must have had Nvidia cards.

[SpiritWarrior]

This 4 gig of onboard still boggles my mind lol. Are you certain it has this much? It seems crazy to me is all. That much ram is not even needed in PC's today as regular ram I mean, nevermind on video cards. Could you post a link to this card you have, CB?

[Zink Whistlefly]

Originally posted by TheCrimsomBlade: well I'm useing a Duel Core Pent 4 3.04Ghz processor (thats 2 Pent 4 3.04 processors) 4GB DDR2 DIMM RAM An ATI Radeon X1600XT video card that uses 4GB of DDR3 on board Ram windows XP-Pro 64 and Oblivilon runs smOOOOOOOth as Butter!! so all of you guys that said I should Have got an nVidia because ATI causes games to crash and slow down and run choppy and has all these problems and needs patches. All I can say NA NA NAAA NAAA NA NA mine works better than yours [img]tongue.gif[/img] lol

You do realise the X1600 is a mid range card right Crimson? And 4GB video memory - what have you been smoking??!

What resolution and detail settings are you running, and what FPS do you tend to get, indoors and outdoors?

Hopefully I'll get some good Oblivion hours in this weekend, so it will be good to know what I can expect [img]smile.gif[/img]

[TheCrimsomBlade]

as Stated by PC magazine on ATI Tests of the X1000 Series by a number of different testers.

The X1000 series has more potential with its ability to do HDR with AA, and it possibly has much faster dynamic branching performance. It all comes down to the game content developers and what features they put into their games.”
HardOCP.com

“Add on features like adaptive antialiasing and a higher-quality anisotropic filtering mode, and it's clear that ATI's new offerings are much more than a simple speed upgrade. From a feature-set perspective, ATI appears to match or exceed Nvidia's 7800 series at every turn.”
ExtremeTech.com
Architecture:

“On NVIDIA hardware, programmers need to be careful to make sure that shader programs are designed to allow for about a thousand pixels at a time to take the same path through a shader. Performance breaks down if different directions through a branch need to be taken in small blocks of pixels. With ATI, every block of 16 pixels can take a different path through a shader. On G70 based hardware, blocks of a few hundred pixels must take the same path. NV4x hardware requires larger blocks still - nearer to 900 in size. This tighter granularity possible on ATI hardware gives developers more freedom in how they design their shaders and take advantage of dynamic branching and flow control. Designing shaders to make sure every 32x32 block of pixels are doing the same thing is more difficult than only needing to worry about every 4x4 block of pixels.”
AnandTech.com

“With flow control active, the ATI cards are also much faster than their NVIDIA counterparts. This is the sort of shader that can benefit from ATI's finer threading granularity for looping and branching, obviously.”
TechReport.com

Image Quality:

“Another driver checkbox addresses a long-standing complaint of mine: angle-dependent anisotropic filtering. The R500 series includes a new, higher quality anisotropic filtering method that's not angle dependent. Most newer GPUs haven't included the ability to turn off angle-dependent aniso, and I'm pleased to see that ATI has made it happen.”
TechReport.com

“As if all of these enhancements weren't enough to top off ATI's already industry leading antialiasing (NVIDIA's grid aligned sample patterns just can't touch ATI's fully programmable sample patterns in quality), ATI has also vastly improved antialiasing performance with the X1000 generation of hardware. Neither NVIDIA nor previous generation ATI hardware can match the minimal performance hit the X1000 series incurs when enabling standard AA.”
AnandTech.com

“As far as new features go, we are quite happy with the high quality anisotropic filtering offered by ATI and we hope to see NVIDIA follow suit in future products as well.”
AnandTech.com

“The color quality of the ATI renderings is significantly better than Nvidia's, and all of ATI's tones come across much fuller than Nvidia's.”
Neoseeker.com

__________________________________________________ _________________________________
I DIDN"T write anything above after the first sentence. The Pro's that know way
more than any of us and tested these cards Did.

The 4 GB of on card was WRONG it's only 1024Mhz sorry but as for The X1600XT it it Very high on the TOP of the Line list and since all Bethesda programmers used The ATI X1000 series cards building their Game Oblivion becaues of the fact
ATI makes a better user friendly product.

so like I said "so you want Oblivion to have NO Crashes at all" Then use The ATI
line of High end X1000 series cards and just throw the made in tiwan nVidia
cards away
Are you real mad now? remember no swearing this is a family site.

P.S. I never said the low end ATI cards were better then nVidias compaired to the X1000 series they are crap too!!
And there is nothing you can say about nvidias paper weights I meen Video cards
that will ever get me to buy one at least not unless I want to play a joke on someone I don't like.

Stirring the pot to see who boils the Ironwork way

TCB

[ 03-24-2006, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: TheCrimsomBlade ]

[johnny]

Well, PC magazines in my neck of the woods come up with a totally different outcome. ATI might have been better in the past, but right now NVIDEA beats ATI on all fronts, according to my sources that is.

Not that i have anything to complain about atm, my 256 MB ATI X700HM SE performs well enough, but my previous 9800 PRO was a disaster if i may say so. Random crashes and hardware errors became an annoying part of my life. At first i thought it was a driver problem, but after experimenting quite a bit, the problem was still there. My next vid card will be NVIDEA again, without any question, i never experienced any crashes or error notifications while running their products in the past, and like i said, the outcome of the ATI vs. NVIDEA outcome in my fav. magazine took away my last doubts.

[SpiritWarrior]

Ok well 1024 sounds at least somehwat normal. I was like oh my god, when I read 4g is all lol.

Yeah, like I said before whichever works for you. I find Nvidia does for me but if I got a good ATI I was happy with I wouldn't complain either so each to his own.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally posted by TheCrimsomBlade: __________________________________________________ _________________________________ I DIDN"T write anything above after the first sentence. The Pro's that know way more than any of us and tested these cards Did. The 4 GB of on card was WRONG it's only 1024Mhz sorry but as for The X1600XT it it Very high on the TOP of the Line list and since all Bethesda programmers used The ATI X1000 series cards building their Game Oblivion becaues of the fact ATI makes a better user friendly product. so like I said "so you want Oblivion to have NO Crashes at all" Then use The ATI line of High end X1000 series cards and just throw the made in tiwan nVidia cards away Are you real mad now? remember no swearing this is a family site. P.S. I never said the low end ATI cards were better then nVidias compaired to the X1000 series they are crap too!! And there is nothing you can say about nvidias paper weights I meen Video cards that will ever get me to buy one at least not unless I want to play a joke on someone I don't like. Stirring the pot to see who boils the Ironwork way TCB

Well without making this another WoW vs. GW thread with vidcards as the raging subject I bet I can make you madder and frankly, I want a turn! [img]tongue.gif[/img] (I mean we all know GW is basically a WoW-clone without jumping abilities).

As far as ATI goes they suck -'nuff said. Poor ATI couldn't even make their own drivers 'till two years ago. They still to this day ask modders from the gaming communities to make new ones and then charge people for 'em. And don't tell me you swallowed the 'stunning' reviews in PC magazine who are coincidentally paid large sums of money by ATI to advertise their products usually on the reverse of the very first page? You did? Oh.

I have to agree that ATI makes a friendlier product. If by friendly you mean refusal to co-operate. Or tendency to burn your system into pieces. Or a tendency to not recreate fog and bloom effects. Yeah, it's friendly in that respect.

I suggest you take that piece of shiny plastic from your board and do what I did: Use the card to power your new Nvidia and use the fan to keep that baby cool as it puts to shame it's significantly lesser and somewhat slow cousin, the ATI.

How'd I do?