Racial Level Limits in BG2?

Soulclaw · 01-28-2002, 07:10 PM

I just got BG2 and was reading the manual. I don't see any mention of racial level limits, are they not in the game (I hope)?

Soulclaw · 01-28-2002, 07:35 PM

Never mind, I found it.

Barlik Longbeard · 01-29-2002, 06:45 AM

I didn't find anything about that and it doesn't seem to effect my gaming too much. What are the racial limit effects?

Ceridan · 01-29-2002, 07:52 AM

In 2ed AD&D, Demihumans had max levels they could obtain for the different classes to try and balance out the racial advantages they had over humans.
This was taken out completely for BG which is pretty much a good thing considering the levels you can obtain (especially with TOB imagine being stuck with something such as 20th level cleric when humans can reach up to 40th).

Sir Kenyth · 01-29-2002, 11:45 AM

In P&P D&D, reaching 20th level was a feat rarely acheived fairly. The highest level I ever heard of someone getting fairly was 16th, and he had that mage for years! Most high level spells were used from scrolls and had a specific purpose when found. Horrid wilting could get you out of an impossible jam the DM devised. Remember, celestial beings and greater demons are in the level 25-30 range. I find most of the standard monsters in TOB to be completely unreal in order to try to balance out the insanely high player levels. I mean, level 40 is like in the demi-god range!

[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Sir Kenyth ]

QFLASH · 01-29-2002, 01:02 PM

I had a character in 2e D&D (P&P) that i played for years and eventually attained a high level: 21/21 fighter/psionic. That was a pain in the butt, but i started when i was young and managed to keep the same character alive.

As far as racial limits, we got rid of those. Now in 3e, they aren't a factor due to the balanced game play.....

Ceridan · 01-29-2002, 01:16 PM

The highest level out party ever reached was levels 10-12(which seemed huge).
Killing an adult dragon has only been done once in years of D&D playing (we then brought the local tavern and mounted her head it)

The 40th level example was purely for TOB with its extreme levels but the level restriction was a poor way of balancing out demihumans.
The 3rd ed rules QFLASH are much better as they give good reasons to be any race (including human).

QFLASH · 01-29-2002, 01:30 PM

Do you play 3e now?

Lucre · 01-29-2002, 02:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kenyth:
I mean, level 40 is like in the demi-god range!

*COUGH*Child of Baal*COUGH*

01-29-2002, 06:45 AM	#3
Barlik Longbeard Manshoon Join Date: January 17, 2002 Location: England Age: 40 Posts: 182	I didn't find anything about that and it doesn't seem to effect my gaming too much. What are the racial limit effects? __________________ \"Revere the ancestors, obey your king, bear yours arms with pride, fear no foe, hate the Greenskin, mistrust the Elf, and you can do no wrong.\" - An Old Dwarf Saying

01-29-2002, 11:45 AM	#5
Sir Kenyth Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: somewhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,785	In P&P D&D, reaching 20th level was a feat rarely acheived fairly. The highest level I ever heard of someone getting fairly was 16th, and he had that mage for years! Most high level spells were used from scrolls and had a specific purpose when found. Horrid wilting could get you out of an impossible jam the DM devised. Remember, celestial beings and greater demons are in the level 25-30 range. I find most of the standard monsters in TOB to be completely unreal in order to try to balance out the insanely high player levels. I mean, level 40 is like in the demi-god range! [ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: Sir Kenyth ] __________________ Master Barbsman and wielder of the razor wit!<br /><br />There are dark angels among us. They present themselves in shining raiment but there is, in their hearts, the blackness of the abyss.

01-29-2002, 02:51 PM	#9
Lucre Elminster Join Date: October 20, 2001 Location: England Posts: 413	quote: Originally posted by Sir Kenyth: I mean, level 40 is like in the demi-god range! COUGHChild of BaalCOUGH

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01-28-2002, 07:10 PM	#1
Soulclaw Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 27, 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 17	I just got BG2 and was reading the manual. I don't see any mention of racial level limits, are they not in the game (I hope)?

01-28-2002, 07:35 PM	#2
Soulclaw Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 27, 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 17	Never mind, I found it.

01-29-2002, 07:52 AM	#4
Ceridan Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 23, 2002 Location: Hampshire,England Posts: 9	In 2ed AD&D, Demihumans had max levels they could obtain for the different classes to try and balance out the racial advantages they had over humans. This was taken out completely for BG which is pretty much a good thing considering the levels you can obtain (especially with TOB imagine being stuck with something such as 20th level cleric when humans can reach up to 40th).

01-29-2002, 01:02 PM	#6
QFLASH The Magister Join Date: January 23, 2002 Location: New York Posts: 103	I had a character in 2e D&D (P&P) that i played for years and eventually attained a high level: 21/21 fighter/psionic. That was a pain in the butt, but i started when i was young and managed to keep the same character alive. As far as racial limits, we got rid of those. Now in 3e, they aren't a factor due to the balanced game play.....

01-29-2002, 01:16 PM	#7
Ceridan Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 23, 2002 Location: Hampshire,England Posts: 9	The highest level out party ever reached was levels 10-12(which seemed huge). Killing an adult dragon has only been done once in years of D&D playing (we then brought the local tavern and mounted her head it) The 40th level example was purely for TOB with its extreme levels but the level restriction was a poor way of balancing out demihumans. The 3rd ed rules QFLASH are much better as they give good reasons to be any race (including human).

01-29-2002, 01:30 PM	#8
QFLASH The Magister Join Date: January 23, 2002 Location: New York Posts: 103	Do you play 3e now?

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