townspeople pissed....marten's ID? - Page 3

Hooptie · 12-13-2001, 12:00 AM

Werdna, are bee colonies really like that or is that a myth? Like if i shrunk or something and walked into a bee colony, none of the bee's would notice me?

I find that hard to believe. Wish i could test it out somewhere....

Werdna · 12-13-2001, 02:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Hooptie:
Werdna, are bee colonies really like that or is that a myth? Like if i shrunk or something and walked into a bee colony, none of the bee's would notice me?

I find that hard to believe. Wish i could test it out somewhere....

Okay, this is WAYYY off topic, but I gotta answer it. Yep, Bee colonies are really like that. Some ant colonies as well. There's a couple of insects (I can't remember what they are off the top of my head) that co-exsist with bees by taking advantage of this fact. They live inside the colony and eat their food, and the colony is none the wiser. I suppose the hard part is getting into the colony in the first place! If I can find my reference, I'll letcha know.

Larlador · 12-13-2001, 04:38 AM

Weird stuff, i kept Marten's ID tag in the personel inventory of my lord all the time, and i never had any problems with the townspeople getting pissed at me. There must have been some other things you have done........and besides i play an fully unpatched version...and i did not run into any game bugs so far (at the sea caves atm)

RadeonX · 01-05-2002, 03:35 PM

Ok ppl, I think the conclusion we have all come to is that the cause of all the troubles in Arnika is due to the fact that the player's (referring to the person who started this thread) faction rating with the Higardi has changed from 'friendly' to 'hostile'. Marten's tag has nothing to do with the trouble in the town whatsoever. The exact same thing happened to me as the guy who started this post. I still don't know what went wrong that made the Higardi targets when I went into combat mode. I swear it was not intentional (btw, missed slingshots that hit the Higardi instead of my intended target wouldn't contribute to this would it?), but by the time I went in the HLL building, I had to fight my way through it to get to the lockers. Now, my question - and I guess this can be applied to the game in general - is, how do you improve relations with a certain faction? In this case, I want to become friendly with the Higardi again. Also, we might need to improve relations with the Mook in order to gain access to their building in Arnika as well as that item that they're holding.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

phoenixsl · 01-05-2002, 04:08 PM

I hostiled one of the Arnika guards acciently and killed him and had the same problem. After that I tried for a couple hours to get a more friendly rating, but could not find a quick way, so I reloaded a previous save game. Maybe some of the late game missions like the tower may help, but I would not recommed wating until late game, Arnika is a good place for items, esp. the custom ones.

DraconisRex · 01-06-2002, 11:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bmanula:
as I was leaving the locker room the guards came around the corner and I thought I was going to get surprised so I hit the combat button and proceeded to kill them. it now occurs to me that they might not have been hostile. was I not supposed to kill them?
thanks all

Actions have consequences. Acting without thinking has greater consequences. I don't know if you can win back the town, but I'd certainly hope not. You killed a group of their protectors in cold, cold blood when getting caught robbing them...

If I'd have written the game, your party would be in the electric chair...

RadeonX · 01-06-2002, 11:59 AM

To DraconisRex: thank you for that most useful reply.... Anyways....the specific case to which you replied did not apply to me (and I'm sure others as well). The guards inside the HLL initiated combat with me. When I first met Myles and talked about the Higardi with him, I thought the Higardi guards would be friendly toward me. Again I reiterate that I don't know how they came to be hostile. I don't ever remember initiating combat with them (back me up ppl - if anyone else is in the same situation). I'm pretty sure the game designers have implemented some way for faction relations to be mended. Is there anyone far enough in the game to know how this can be done? The game manual doesn't talk about this.

Thanks

RadeonX · 01-06-2002, 12:02 PM

Btw, if all else fails, I wonder if there's an editor/cheat/hack that would allow you to change faction ratings? It would certainly be nice to be able to talk to the Higardi again.

Kat Zarai · 01-13-2002, 03:51 AM

Hit them by accident or deliberately, they'll be hostile at you. You have to get Myles in your party.

12-13-2001, 02:40 AM	#22
Werdna Dungeon Master Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: KCMOUSA Posts: 93	quote: Originally posted by Hooptie: Werdna, are bee colonies really like that or is that a myth? Like if i shrunk or something and walked into a bee colony, none of the bee's would notice me? I find that hard to believe. Wish i could test it out somewhere.... Okay, this is WAYYY off topic, but I gotta answer it. Yep, Bee colonies are really like that. Some ant colonies as well. There's a couple of insects (I can't remember what they are off the top of my head) that co-exsist with bees by taking advantage of this fact. They live inside the colony and eat their food, and the colony is none the wiser. I suppose the hard part is getting into the colony in the first place! If I can find my reference, I'll letcha know. __________________ THE WIZARD IS IN! :mage1:

01-06-2002, 11:27 AM	#26
DraconisRex Avatar Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: On my rear-end. Posts: 563	quote: Originally posted by bmanula: as I was leaving the locker room the guards came around the corner and I thought I was going to get surprised so I hit the combat button and proceeded to kill them. it now occurs to me that they might not have been hostile. was I not supposed to kill them? thanks all Actions have consequences. Acting without thinking has greater consequences. I don't know if you can win back the town, but I'd certainly hope not. You killed a group of their protectors in cold, cold blood when getting caught robbing them... If I'd have written the game, your party would be in the electric chair... __________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?<br /><br />Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.<br /><br />Di! Ecce hora! Uxor mea me necabit!

01-13-2002, 03:51 AM	#29
Kat Zarai Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 6, 2002 Location: Gawler, South Australia Posts: 5	Hit them by accident or deliberately, they'll be hostile at you. You have to get Myles in your party. __________________ Zarai Ryshere, Master Mailsmith. Never stop wizzing! (Yes, that was a pun.)

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12-13-2001, 12:00 AM	#21
Hooptie Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: December 3, 2001 Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 7	Werdna, are bee colonies really like that or is that a myth? Like if i shrunk or something and walked into a bee colony, none of the bee's would notice me? I find that hard to believe. Wish i could test it out somewhere....

12-13-2001, 04:38 AM	#23
Larlador Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: December 4, 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 36	Weird stuff, i kept Marten's ID tag in the personel inventory of my lord all the time, and i never had any problems with the townspeople getting pissed at me. There must have been some other things you have done........and besides i play an fully unpatched version...and i did not run into any game bugs so far (at the sea caves atm)

01-05-2002, 03:35 PM	#24
RadeonX Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 5, 2002 Location: Home Posts: 5	Ok ppl, I think the conclusion we have all come to is that the cause of all the troubles in Arnika is due to the fact that the player's (referring to the person who started this thread) faction rating with the Higardi has changed from 'friendly' to 'hostile'. Marten's tag has nothing to do with the trouble in the town whatsoever. The exact same thing happened to me as the guy who started this post. I still don't know what went wrong that made the Higardi targets when I went into combat mode. I swear it was not intentional (btw, missed slingshots that hit the Higardi instead of my intended target wouldn't contribute to this would it?), but by the time I went in the HLL building, I had to fight my way through it to get to the lockers. Now, my question - and I guess this can be applied to the game in general - is, how do you improve relations with a certain faction? In this case, I want to become friendly with the Higardi again. Also, we might need to improve relations with the Mook in order to gain access to their building in Arnika as well as that item that they're holding. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

01-05-2002, 04:08 PM	#25
phoenixsl Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: United States Posts: 16	I hostiled one of the Arnika guards acciently and killed him and had the same problem. After that I tried for a couple hours to get a more friendly rating, but could not find a quick way, so I reloaded a previous save game. Maybe some of the late game missions like the tower may help, but I would not recommed wating until late game, Arnika is a good place for items, esp. the custom ones.

01-06-2002, 11:59 AM	#27
RadeonX Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 5, 2002 Location: Home Posts: 5	To DraconisRex: thank you for that most useful reply.... Anyways....the specific case to which you replied did not apply to me (and I'm sure others as well). The guards inside the HLL initiated combat with me. When I first met Myles and talked about the Higardi with him, I thought the Higardi guards would be friendly toward me. Again I reiterate that I don't know how they came to be hostile. I don't ever remember initiating combat with them (back me up ppl - if anyone else is in the same situation). I'm pretty sure the game designers have implemented some way for faction relations to be mended. Is there anyone far enough in the game to know how this can be done? The game manual doesn't talk about this. Thanks

01-06-2002, 12:02 PM	#28
RadeonX Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 5, 2002 Location: Home Posts: 5	Btw, if all else fails, I wonder if there's an editor/cheat/hack that would allow you to change faction ratings? It would certainly be nice to be able to talk to the Higardi again.

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