The Hobbit

[Sir Goulum]

I believe he hates the movies.

EDIT- Dracolisk now.... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 12-31-2003, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Sir Goulum ]

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Sir Goulum: I believe he hates the movies. EDIT- Dracolisk now.... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

It's beyond hatred, he has gone as far as forcing siblings off the board of directors of the Tolkein Estate that disagree with him. He guards what he sees as the integrity of the books with more religious zeal then any Ayatollah railing against Israel. The man is total fruit cake [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hopefully once he pass on (he's in his 70's now) more rational heads will prevail and at least allow Peter Jackson to pull what is left of the LOTR props and sets out of mothballs to make a museum in NZ.

[Gammit]

Originally posted by Rokenn: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sir Goulum: I believe he hates the movies. EDIT- Dracolisk now.... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

It's beyond hatred, he has gone as far as forcing siblings off the board of directors of the Tolkein Estate that disagree with him. He guards what he sees as the integrity of the books with more religious zeal then any Ayatollah railing against Israel. The man is total fruit cake [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hopefully once he pass on (he's in his 70's now) more rational heads will prevail and at least allow Peter Jackson to pull what is left of the LOTR props and sets out of mothballs to make a museum in NZ. </font>[/QUOTE]Wow, what a whackjob! Hopefully I'm wrong and there is another Hobbit movie coming out. That would be incredible!

[Cerek the Barbaric]

<font color=deepskyblue>Peter Jackson does want to film the Hobbit, using some of the same actors from the LOTR series. You can read about it here.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...gs_director_dc

There was a discussion on another forum regarding the "issues" faced by Peter Jackson (namely, Christopher Tolkien) in getting the rights to the Hobbit. You can read the comments and opinions of those forum members here (and you will probably recognize many of the members, since most of them belong to IW also).

http://www.theoasisforums.com/yabbse...y;threadid=826
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[ 01-01-2004, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: Cerek the Barbaric ]

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Rokenn: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sir Goulum: I believe he hates the movies. EDIT- Dracolisk now.... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

It's beyond hatred, he has gone as far as forcing siblings off the board of directors of the Tolkein Estate that disagree with him. He guards what he sees as the integrity of the books with more religious zeal then any Ayatollah railing against Israel. The man is total fruit cake [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hopefully once he pass on (he's in his 70's now) more rational heads will prevail and at least allow Peter Jackson to pull what is left of the LOTR props and sets out of mothballs to make a museum in NZ. </font>[/QUOTE]Christopher tolkein is against any interpretation of his fathers work, meaning any condensed book format, movies, cartoons, etc he wants J.R.R.'s works to stand as written and not as seen through the eyes of anyone else, but the individual reader.

[lucius tiberus maximus]

i really hope they make a hobbit it would be cool

[Sneeki Two]

I also ran into a trailer for the hobbit but it was definetly a fake. They used footage from the LOTR movies and footage from Dragonslayer. It was well done though. I would like to see them do a Hobbit movie though.

Just my 2

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Morgeruat: Christopher tolkein is against any interpretation of his fathers work, meaning any condensed book format, movies, cartoons, etc he wants J.R.R.'s works to stand as written and not as seen through the eyes of anyone else, but the individual reader.

You know, I'm definitely not a fan of the way Christopher Tolkien has chosen to run his life and his family/corporation, but that's definitely a very valid point he has. The reader is ultimately the true judge of the work, and accepting the views of a third party (e.g. PJ) is essentially ripping yourself off: Deliberately reading spoilers, if you will. Instead of reading the book and forming your own thoughts/images of the story, you instead turn to someone else's.....thus robbing yourself of ever coming up with your own ideas on the subject. Seeing the movie (before reading the book) robs the imagination. Imagination might very well be the linchpin to the whole love/hate relationship to PJ's LotR: If your imagination is shallow or mediocre, you can see the films and be absolutely blown away by the cool imagery. If your imagination was better than PJ's, you can see the films and be disappointed.

With that said, I am not against a film version of LotR. And the funny thing is, under the right circumstances, Christopher might not be either. Christopher has said that <u>what his father wrote</u> is gospel. But, if you had gone back 40 years, and asked J.R.R. if he'd care to write (or endorse) a screenplay, I'm pretty sure he'd say, "Heck, yeah." But as that never happened, it's a shame that Christopher has one more thing to be stubborn about. It's a shame that he's so immovable, really--there are some errors in LotR that are just begging to be fixed (for example, there ain't a reason in hell that Aragorn would be carrying the actual shards of Narsil out in the wilderness), but I couldn't even get Christopher's permission to make an *authorized* film version, because I'd have to change those things.

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: Imagination might very well be the linchpin to the whole love/hate relationship to PJ's LotR: If your imagination is shallow or mediocre, you can see the films and be absolutely blown away by the cool imagery. If your imagination was better than PJ's, you can see the films and be disappointed.

Ahhh it's good to know that all of us that enjoyed the movies for what they were lack imagination and are shallow. Thanks SoS!

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Morgeruat: Christopher tolkein is against any interpretation of his fathers work, meaning any condensed book format, movies, cartoons, etc he wants J.R.R.'s works to stand as written and not as seen through the eyes of anyone else, but the individual reader.

You know, I'm definitely not a fan of the way Christopher Tolkien has chosen to run his life and his family/corporation, but that's definitely a very valid point he has. The reader is ultimately the true judge of the work, and accepting the views of a third party (e.g. PJ) is essentially ripping yourself off: Deliberately reading spoilers, if you will. Instead of reading the book and forming your own thoughts/images of the story, you instead turn to someone else's.....thus robbing yourself of ever coming up with your own ideas on the subject. Seeing the movie (before reading the book) robs the imagination. Imagination might very well be the linchpin to the whole love/hate relationship to PJ's LotR: If your imagination is shallow or mediocre, you can see the films and be absolutely blown away by the cool imagery. If your imagination was better than PJ's, you can see the films and be disappointed.

With that said, I am not against a film version of LotR. And the funny thing is, under the right circumstances, Christopher might not be either. Christopher has said that <u>what his father wrote</u> is gospel. But, if you had gone back 40 years, and asked J.R.R. if he'd care to write (or endorse) a screenplay, I'm pretty sure he'd say, "Heck, yeah." But as that never happened, it's a shame that Christopher has one more thing to be stubborn about. It's a shame that he's so immovable, really--there are some errors in LotR that are just begging to be fixed (for example, there ain't a reason in hell that Aragorn would be carrying the actual shards of Narsil out in the wilderness), but I couldn't even get Christopher's permission to make an *authorized* film version, because I'd have to change those things. </font>[/QUOTE]Or you could accept the fact that there is always something lost (and gained) in the translation of book to film, sit back, enjoy and be thankful it wasn't a flop like D&D and every other fanstasy film before this .