Matrix:Reloaded Review Comments..SPOILERS!!!!!!!

[Azred]

<font color = lightgreen>I agree. Smith is the key to everything. In the first movie he wanted freedom--his wanting to get into Zion was only because he was being directed by the Matrix. Now he has his freedom, because Smith is no longer controlled by the Matrix, even though he is still part of it. I think he wants to assimilate Neo so he can be the One and trigger the Reload, possibly becoming the new Architect. Also, since he can assimilate someone, exit the Matrix, and influence that person in the Real World he will also be able to control humanity. The Oracle is right--I think Smith wants it all. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] </font>

[Xen]

Maybe in The Matirx:Revolutions Smith will kill Neo(we would not like this to happen would we [img]smile.gif[/img] ) and he will become the One...


But no...Neo will win for humanity...........YEAH BABY

[Vaskez]

Hmm I spoke to someone who saw it yesterday and she said that Neo did not destroy the Sentinels in the real world - they were destroyed by an EMP attack and you have to look carefully to see where it comes from...can anyone else verify this cos it changes quite a lot and effects what we've been talking about?

[Rimjaw]

Ok, if you play the Enter The Matrix video game, it reveals that it was Niobe who disabled the Sentinels by unleashing an EMP blast. I haven't actually played the thing so I can't give you any further details. The question that remains is how come Neo said he could sense the Sentinels, why did he put his hand up to try and stop them and why did he collapse if he wasn't the one who stopped them.

Anyway, I doubt that it's gonna be the "matrix within a matrix" situation. It's much too cliched and lame for the creativity of the wachowski bros.

[ 05-26-2003, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Rimjaw ]

[Spelca]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Okay, Azred: 1. The Ghosts didn't die, I do not think -- watch more closely next time. Sure they got blown away, but that's different. Especially considering how they heal.

Yep, you see them going "invisible" when they show the blast. And since bullets were able to go through them when they were invisible, why not fire. [img]smile.gif[/img]

2. Tie the damned knots up, please. I am still uncertain on why Neo can effect machines -- though I get that there is a machine/man mix going on here that Smith is also privvy to. Assuming the "real world" outside the Matrix is real, and people are coppertops, any one being must be "programmed" to a certain extent. The Matrix is an inherent machine/man mix in that the individual cells holding people are connected with their body systems and the programs must "program" the matrix into their minds. Thus, THE ONE program would be inserted into a human that met certain specifications and then, when he was set free, the chain of events would already be set in motion. Neo would still be a human, not just a program. Of course, this assumes "the real world" is not a program itself. Maybe "the real world" is real, and Neo just has some weird sympathetic reactions with machines that lets him jolt them? Okay, Azred, spoil me in a PM if you don't want to spoil everyone.

Ah, sorry, I didn't read the whole thread - I'm too lazy right now. [img]tongue.gif[/img] But I do think that the world that they're in (or at least the world they were in at the end) wasn't the real world, because those people at the end say Zion was destroyed and there was only one survivor, but in the trailed for the third movie we see the fight for Zion... All those machines going into the city, and the ships fighting. So how could we see that if it was already destroyed? Unless that's a memory or Neo can turn time... Though he did say (when he was stopping those squid machines) that something felt wrong. Maybe they somehow got caught in a fake world, because Neo chose Trinity, so that they would stop fighting?

And another thing, how could that thing that the Father of the Matrix said be true? The thing about him choosing 7 women and 13 men (or 13 - 7) to rebuild Zion. If that had really happened 5 times already, err, wouldn't that take a very long time then - to rebuild it I mean, since there are thousands of people in Zion? Not to mention they'd all be inbred. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 05-26-2003, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: Spelca ]

[Spelca]

One more thing - it really bothered me in the film. How come that Morpheus is all of a sudden so good at fighting an agent? In the first film he doesn't even last 15 seconds, but in this one he's really good. [img]tongue.gif[/img] This agent he was fighting was supposed to be a new version of an agent (right?), so he should be even tougher to beat (even though he isn't Smith). So what happened? Does Morpheus have super-powers too? [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Xen]

No his just has more experienceed. IMO he suck like in the first movie.When Morpheous was fighting on the truck agent always kicked his butt.


My opinion is that Morpheous isn`t better..

[Spelca]

Originally posted by Xen: No his just has more experienceed. IMO he suck like in the first movie.When Morpheous was fighting on the truck agent always kicked his butt. My opinion is that Morpheous isn`t better..

Yea, but here he was at least able to get up, and he didn't even have a scratch! In the first film Smith could pat him on the head and he'd bleed. That's what I thought was odd... One punch in the first film - can barely get up; lots of punches in the second one - like nothing happened. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Spelca: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Xen: No his just has more experienceed. IMO he suck like in the first movie.When Morpheous was fighting on the truck agent always kicked his butt. My opinion is that Morpheous isn`t better..

Yea, but here he was at least able to get up, and he didn't even have a scratch! In the first film Smith could pat him on the head and he'd bleed. That's what I thought was odd... One punch in the first film - can barely get up; lots of punches in the second one - like nothing happened. [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]I too noticed that in many of the fights Trinity, Morpeous and Neo barely took a scratch. Also that in many of the fights they did not have the 'crushing wall' effect when tossed into solid objects. Personally I took this as a subtle sign of their increased control over the Matrix, thanks to Neo. If you watch some of the fights carefully you will notice things get messy after they have been worn down a bit. As fighting in the Matrix is not a contest of physical might, but of will. Kind of an externalized version of a Samurai stare down duel. The Oracle's guardian also inferred this when he said, fighting someone lets you see who they are.

[Timber Loftis]

I agree with Rokenn. Once they know what they can do in the Matrix, it gets easier to do the "impossible." Remember, Neo couldn't complete the "jump program" the first time, while Morpheus seemingly flew.