to dub or not to dub...

norompanlasolas · 01-21-2002, 08:02 AM

ok. i for one absolutely HATE dubbing in pictures. i much prefer them to be subtitled. its not only that sometimes the people that do the actors voices are awful, or that you can tell the lips dont match the words they are saying.

its also that when i go see the movie, i want to hear the REAL actor speak and not some guy in a booth. acting is not only the pshysical perfomance, but also the speech. when i see deniro, i want to hear deniro, or if i see takeda (japansese actor famous for his samurai movies) i want to hear takeda, and the same for every language. its just not the same the other way.

what do you guys and girls think?

Dreamer128 · 01-21-2002, 09:15 AM

I totally agree! Subtitles all the way!

Grojlach · 01-21-2002, 09:25 AM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dreamer128:
I totally agree! Subtitles all the way!<hr></blockquote>

I agree. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Of course, thank God in the Netherlands it's normal to sub foreign series and movies, not dub them (only happens with some cartoons meant for children), but in other countries, like Germany and France, they don't do anything else...

J'aran · 01-21-2002, 09:40 AM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Grojlach:

I agree. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Of course, thank God in the Netherlands it's normal to sub foreign series and movies, not dub them (only happens with some cartoons meant for children), but in other countries, like Germany and France, they don't do anything else... <hr></blockquote>

Yea.
Hey, did you notice that those Cartoon Network cartoons, like Dexter's Lab and such, were a lot funnier when they were still in English? They s**k now that they are dubbed in Dutch.

Epona · 01-21-2002, 11:22 AM

I prefer subtitles. I agree with the point that the voice is part of the acting too - inflection, tone, emphasis etc. all form part of the actor's performance - and even if you don't understand the language you can gain a lot from those aspects of speech.

Darkman · 01-21-2002, 12:16 PM

I agree too. I definately prefer subtitles over dubbing any day, unless it's in Spanish, in which case I don't want to watch it at all

PS. No offence to Spanish speaking people, it's just that Spanish has to be one of the ugliest sounding languages out there. Heck it's almost as bad as Americanized English

Epona · 01-21-2002, 12:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Darkman:
I agree too. I definately prefer subtitles over dubbing any day, unless it's in Spanish, in which case I don't want to watch it at all

PS. No offence to Spanish speaking people, it's just that Spanish has to be one of the ugliest sounding languages out there. Heck it's almost as bad as Americanized English <hr></blockquote>

Oh, I LOVE the sound of Spanish. Can't go wrong with that language as far as I am concerned! Not that I speak any, mind you...

Melusine · 01-21-2002, 01:20 PM

I agree all the way! I infinitely prefer subtitles over dubbing, for the same reasons. It's so true that speech is an integral part of acting. I know that that's why the dubbing is done by "voice actors" but they can never approach the same level as the person who played the part.

Sir ReGiN · 01-21-2002, 01:51 PM

Well you can look at this from two aspects..
Yes, a movie is a disaster when it's dubbed, almost impossible to watch..
But it is also a disaster to the native language in the long run..
When more and more of what you come across in your daily life is in english, then it gets integrated in the native tongue and after a while, it will probabrly consume it completely..
Now take Sweden for instance (also known as America's 53rd state

) where so many words have been "americanized" and so many new english words have been accepted that people born 40 years ago (or later of course) don't understand what the youths are saying..
And I know this isn't just happening in Sweden

This might be a good thing, Sweden becoming more American, but it's also a very bad thing for the nationalism feeling..(that sounded strange?)..
And since they speak english in 85% of all the movies that are shown in Sweden, this all is going very fast..
But the difference is huge between the countries that dub and those who don't..

(This was written while I was very tired so please, overlook any spelling mistakes and sentences that make no sense [img]smile.gif[/img] )

Neb · 01-21-2002, 01:51 PM

Dubbing must DIE! First of all they can't find proper people to dub things with, the voices just NEVER fit, also, it ruins every single joke! Blech, it's almost as bad as translating books, now there's another horrible thing.....

01-21-2002, 08:02 AM	#1
norompanlasolas Avatar Join Date: November 13, 2001 Location: madrid, spain... made in argentina Age: 48 Posts: 569	ok. i for one absolutely HATE dubbing in pictures. i much prefer them to be subtitled. its not only that sometimes the people that do the actors voices are awful, or that you can tell the lips dont match the words they are saying. its also that when i go see the movie, i want to hear the REAL actor speak and not some guy in a booth. acting is not only the pshysical perfomance, but also the speech. when i see deniro, i want to hear deniro, or if i see takeda (japansese actor famous for his samurai movies) i want to hear takeda, and the same for every language. its just not the same the other way. what do you guys and girls think? __________________ no

01-21-2002, 09:25 AM	#3
Grojlach Zartan Join Date: May 2, 2001 Location: Ulpia Noviomagus Batavorum Age: 44 Posts: 5,281	<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dreamer128: I totally agree! Subtitles all the way!<hr></blockquote> I agree. [img]smile.gif[/img] Of course, thank God in the Netherlands it's normal to sub foreign series and movies, not dub them (only happens with some cartoons meant for children), but in other countries, like Germany and France, they don't do anything else... __________________ [url]\"http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Grobbel/\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://www.denness.net/rpi/username/Grobbel\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

01-21-2002, 11:22 AM	#5
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 54 Posts: 5,164	I prefer subtitles. I agree with the point that the voice is part of the acting too - inflection, tone, emphasis etc. all form part of the actor's performance - and even if you don't understand the language you can gain a lot from those aspects of speech. __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-21-2002, 12:16 PM	#6
Darkman Avatar Join Date: July 11, 2001 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 44 Posts: 525	I agree too. I definately prefer subtitles over dubbing any day, unless it's in Spanish, in which case I don't want to watch it at all PS. No offence to Spanish speaking people, it's just that Spanish has to be one of the ugliest sounding languages out there. Heck it's almost as bad as Americanized English __________________ There more of it there is,<br />The less you see.

01-21-2002, 12:48 PM	#7
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 54 Posts: 5,164	<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Darkman: I agree too. I definately prefer subtitles over dubbing any day, unless it's in Spanish, in which case I don't want to watch it at all PS. No offence to Spanish speaking people, it's just that Spanish has to be one of the ugliest sounding languages out there. Heck it's almost as bad as Americanized English <hr></blockquote> Oh, I LOVE the sound of Spanish. Can't go wrong with that language as far as I am concerned! Not that I speak any, mind you... __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-21-2002, 09:15 AM	#2
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 40 Posts: 6,136	I totally agree! Subtitles all the way!

01-21-2002, 09:40 AM	#4
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 1,493	<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Grojlach: I agree. [img]smile.gif[/img] Of course, thank God in the Netherlands it's normal to sub foreign series and movies, not dub them (only happens with some cartoons meant for children), but in other countries, like Germany and France, they don't do anything else... <hr></blockquote> Yea. Hey, did you notice that those Cartoon Network cartoons, like Dexter's Lab and such, were a lot funnier when they were still in English? They s**k now that they are dubbed in Dutch.

01-21-2002, 01:20 PM	#8
Melusine Dracolisk Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 45 Posts: 6,541	I agree all the way! I infinitely prefer subtitles over dubbing, for the same reasons. It's so true that speech is an integral part of acting. I know that that's why the dubbing is done by "voice actors" but they can never approach the same level as the person who played the part. __________________ [img]\"hosted/melusine.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Your voice is ambrosia

01-21-2002, 01:51 PM	#9
Sir ReGiN Gold Dragon Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: The land of blonde virgins Age: 43 Posts: 2,563	Well you can look at this from two aspects.. Yes, a movie is a disaster when it's dubbed, almost impossible to watch.. But it is also a disaster to the native language in the long run.. When more and more of what you come across in your daily life is in english, then it gets integrated in the native tongue and after a while, it will probabrly consume it completely.. Now take Sweden for instance (also known as America's 53rd state ) where so many words have been "americanized" and so many new english words have been accepted that people born 40 years ago (or later of course) don't understand what the youths are saying.. And I know this isn't just happening in Sweden This might be a good thing, Sweden becoming more American, but it's also a very bad thing for the nationalism feeling..(that sounded strange?).. And since they speak english in 85% of all the movies that are shown in Sweden, this all is going very fast.. But the difference is huge between the countries that dub and those who don't.. (This was written while I was very tired so please, overlook any spelling mistakes and sentences that make no sense [img]smile.gif[/img] )

01-21-2002, 01:51 PM	#10
Neb Account deleted by Request Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: . Age: 39 Posts: 8,802	Dubbing must DIE! First of all they can't find proper people to dub things with, the voices just NEVER fit, also, it ruins every single joke! Blech, it's almost as bad as translating books, now there's another horrible thing.....

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