Two-bladed sword

[Draggor]

Originally posted by DraconisRex: quote: Originally posted by Morgeruat: the blade counts as wielding two weapons, each blade does 1d8 (the second is considered a light weapon) there is a bug where you don't get penalized if you don't have (improved)two weapon fighting and ambidexterity which by the rulebooks you need, but if you focus on it (and get imp critical) you can get the uthgardt ceremonial blade (keen) and do a critical hit on 15-20 (fully 30% of your attacks)

Okay. I just created a character. As this was a Prelude Character, I just ran a quicky fighter with high dex. Made her human, took dual-weild, ambidexterity & exotic weapons.

Pillaged and looted and bought a 2-bladed sword, found a club, had a s. sword.

The two-bladed sword shows as ONE attack at +4. The club/s.sword combination showed as TWO ATTACKS. One main hand, the other off-hand. Each at +2.

If a "dual-bladed" sword was "dual-weilding," I should think it would be clear... Or is there something hidden? Or are you speaking from the perspective of the 3E rules, rather than the GAME RULES?[/QUOTE]That's strange. You should have two attacks. Didn't use double weapons very much myself so I can't remember if it worked right for me. People have said above that there's a bug with double weapons, so maybe it doesn't detect it as two seperate weapons. It sounds like it seeing it's saying +4 attack bonus. You should have 2 at +2 just like the club and sword. This may sound stupid but are you sure it's a double sword and not a great sword? Is it adding 11/2 your strength bonus. If it is it's treating it like a great weapon.

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Larry_OHF: I chose to play a Ranger, just to have the ability to easily use that Two-bladed Sword, since it is the newest weapon introduced in CRPGs. Yet, I am killing alot better with a Great Sword (Two-handed sword) than I am with ANY two weapons that I choose. I can't understand it.

with the rules revised in 3rd edition when dual wielding you only get 1/2 your strength bonus from the second weapon (a total of 1.5 times your strength bonus overall) with a two handed weapon you get 1.5 times your strength bonus added to damage (same total, but not split up, so each swing does more damage, but you don't get as many attacks)

[Sir Exxon]

What about the Greatsword? It is one weapon, but wielded with both hands. AShould I still invest in Ambidexterity and (Improved) two-weapon?

[Madriver]

Originally posted by Larry_OHF: I chose to play a Ranger, just to have the ability to easily use that Two-bladed Sword, since it is the newest weapon introduced in CRPGs. Yet, I am killing alot better with a Great Sword (Two-handed sword) than I am with ANY two weapons that I choose. I can't understand it.

It's a trade off that you need to decide upon when starting the character. Do you want more attacks at less damage or less attacks at more damage. A large weapon wielded two-handed gives you 1.5 times the strength bonus on a hit. When wielding two-handed, an off-hand weapon hit is 0.5 times your strength bonus and the main-hand weapon is normal strength bonus.

As for duel-wielding and what is shown in NWN, the double-headed weapons (2 bladed sword and orc 2 headed axe) have a bug where you don't suffer the regular duel-wielding penalties, so you don't need two-weapon fighting or ambidexterity. This should be addressed in a patch soon. Also, the character display doesn't show the attacks for a double weapon correctly, but if you watch the battle dialogue that scrolls by, you'll notice that you are indeed using your off-hand for an additional attack.

For those wanting information on two-weapon fighting:

........................................Main Hand........Off-Hand

Without any feats.......................-6.............-10
Off-hand weapon is light (light).....-4.............-8
Just ambidexterity (AMB).............-6.............-6
Just Two-weapon Fighting (TWF)..-4.............-8
Light and AMB............................-4.............-4
Light and TWF...........................-2.............-6
AMB and TWF............................-4.............-4
Light, AMB, and TWF...................-2.............-2

And if you get Improved Two-Weapon Fighting you get an additional off-hand attack at -5 to your highest BAB.

For example, a 9th level fighter has 2 attacks with a normal BAB of +9/+4. If this fighter has Two-Weapon fighting, Ambidexterity, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, and his off-hand weapon is light his attacks would be +7/+7/+2/+2.
+7(first primary)/+7(first off-hand)/+2(second primary)/+2(second off-hand).

I hope this long-winded reply helps. [img]smile.gif[/img]

edit - does anyone know how to keep my spaces from being condensed when posting?

[ 07-22-2002, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Madriver ]

[Madriver]

Originally posted by Sir Exxon: What about the Greatsword? It is one weapon, but wielded with both hands. AShould I still invest in Ambidexterity and (Improved) two-weapon?

No, those feats are only if you are trying to wield 2 weapons at once, one in each hand or a double headed single weapon.

[Morgeruat]

it's simliar to specializing in two weapon fighting style in bg2, or going with 2 handed weapon fighting style, you don't suffer any penalties (or get any bonuses) from having, or not having two weapon fighting, and ambidexterity

[Larry_OHF]

Thanks! I appreciate those that helped me understand better.

[DraconisRex]

Yeah, but why does my proto-character with all the appropriate feats only get ONE ATTACK with a two-bladed sword? I'd LOVE to use a two-bladed sword...

Does it matter if you equipit as on-hand/off-hand? I'll be back...

[Madriver]

Originally posted by DraconisRex: Yeah, but why does my proto-character with all the appropriate feats only get ONE ATTACK with a two-bladed sword? I'd LOVE to use a two-bladed sword... Does it matter if you equipit as on-hand/off-hand? I'll be back...

Read my post above...it's a cosmetic bug with the character sheet, you still get the attacks (and can see the "off-hand" attack on the combat dialogue that scrolls by) but it only shows one attack on the sheet.

[DraconisRex]

Originally posted by Madriver: quote: Originally posted by DraconisRex: Yeah, but why does my proto-character with all the appropriate feats only get ONE ATTACK with a two-bladed sword? I'd LOVE to use a two-bladed sword... Does it matter if you equipit as on-hand/off-hand? I'll be back...

Read my post above...it's a cosmetic bug with the character sheet, you still get the attacks (and can see the "off-hand" attack on the combat dialogue that scrolls by) but it only shows one attack on the sheet.[/QUOTE]Ahhhhh.... I mis-understood what you were getting at. Nothing like being tired and sick... Of course, that just gives me more excuses to play NWN... [img]smile.gif[/img]