Confused and mystified about Shandalar (spoilers!) - Page 2

Lemmy · 04-24-2003, 02:03 AM

This included, a heavy reputation penalty, and of course...

Given that he's an "innocent," of course he has a reputation penalty. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Equally however, they DID script him to drop one of the best items in the game, and allowed for 26,ooo experience points to be allocated to his conquerers.

He's Chaotic Good but drops a Robe of Neutral Arch-Magi. What kind of weird treasure is that? Did somebody fall asleep assigning items to this guy? Or maybe he was just doing laundry for Radagast the Brown. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I don't care if you kill him; it's not about that. I just think his stats are so heavily unnatural it seems he's not, strictly speaking, set up as a "real" opponent - just some bizarre guy that takes special tactics to murder. Such beings are very bleh, IMO. Equal opportunity murder, I say!

I based my assumption of, "not being able to beat the game by soloing a single-classed mage". . .
Now when I stop and think about the possible solutions that could be applied to these aforementioned obstacles, the undertaking of such a task still seems to be ridiculously difficult and time-consuming.

Well, for me, soloing a little mage took a lot of patience because most early combat depended on run'n'gun sling battles. It goes a lot faster once the mage can cast a decent number of spells per day and has a good arsenal to choose from. Invisibility and Mirror Image are highly (ab)useful, too.

-Lem

Sir Heinrich Godfrie IV · 04-24-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Posted by: Lemmy

Given that he's an "innocent," of course he has a reputation penalty.

Good point!

I didn't really think about it in that light.

I suppose it's because he comes across as more than your average "innocent" commoner, more specifically, one who can annihilate you and your party when provoked!

Quote:

I don't care if you kill him; it's not about that. I just think his stats are so heavily unnatural it seems he's not, strictly speaking, set up as a "real" opponent - just some bizarre guy that takes special tactics to murder. Such beings are very bleh, IMO. Equal opportunity murder, I say!

I'm sure that you do not want to continue argueing about him being a "legitimate" target in the game, so I'll say my piece and let you have the last word if you like.

I would still venture to say that the game designers created him as a target for those who are either, "greedy power-gamers", or those who are running an "evil campaign".

For a party such as those, he could definetly be considered a "means" to their prospective "ends", IMO.

And like you said, an "equal opportunity murder".

IronThroneLoyalist · 04-25-2003, 12:58 PM

Seeming as how somebody brought up AO, I have question........WHO IS THIS PERSON?! He was mentioned in Dezkiel's scroll, however nothing was said about this person/being/entity after that.

Oh, and by the way...I LOVE THIS FORUM!

SixOfSpades · 04-25-2003, 01:59 PM

Ao, the Overfather, is the Grand Poo-Bah of the entire Forgotten Realms pantheon. His "duties" include overseeing the cosmic balance and the creation / destruction of deities. Folks like Bhaal, Helm, and Oghma are just small potatoes.

IronThroneLoyalist · 04-25-2003, 05:08 PM

Thanks for the info Sixofspades, by the way, did anyone get the feeling that the Ice Maze was a little like the movie "Cube".

Lord Dracon · 04-26-2003, 01:02 AM

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Flaming Fist Enforcer · 04-26-2003, 03:59 AM

First of all:

[img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img] Welcome to Ironworks, IT Loyalist! [img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img]

The Ice dungeon really is a bit like that movie. Everything is full of traps, you don't know what kind of dangers awaits in the next room and everything is blue (walls, floor etc.). Anyway, it's one of my favorite areas in the game.

IronThroneLoyalist · 04-27-2003, 03:46 PM

Thanks for the warm welcome guys.

I have to admit, I been coming to this forum for a couple of years now, but have only just had the urge to post messages.

Raistlin Majere · 05-06-2003, 03:00 PM

Ok, now im annoyed. Who is Shandalar? I just read about him the other day, and seem to remember him to be a "celebertie" of the Forgotten Realms.

Flaming Fist Enforcer · 05-07-2003, 03:09 AM

He's a mage in Ulgoth's Beard (TotSC area). He has a quest for you and if you accept he teleports you to a cool place. I won't say more so that I don't spoil anyone.

04-25-2003, 12:58 PM	#13
IronThroneLoyalist Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: April 9, 2003 Location: Undisclosed Location Age: 44 Posts: 29	Seeming as how somebody brought up AO, I have question........WHO IS THIS PERSON?! He was mentioned in Dezkiel's scroll, however nothing was said about this person/being/entity after that. Oh, and by the way...I LOVE THIS FORUM! __________________ The Iron Throne SHALL return!

04-25-2003, 01:59 PM	#14
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	Ao, the Overfather, is the Grand Poo-Bah of the entire Forgotten Realms pantheon. His "duties" include overseeing the cosmic balance and the creation / destruction of deities. Folks like Bhaal, Helm, and Oghma are just small potatoes. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

04-25-2003, 05:08 PM	#15
IronThroneLoyalist Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: April 9, 2003 Location: Undisclosed Location Age: 44 Posts: 29	Thanks for the info Sixofspades, by the way, did anyone get the feeling that the Ice Maze was a little like the movie "Cube". __________________ The Iron Throne SHALL return!

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04-26-2003, 03:59 AM	#17
Flaming Fist Enforcer Drow Warrior Join Date: January 25, 2003 Location: Croatia Age: 38 Posts: 261	First of all: [img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img] Welcome to Ironworks, IT Loyalist! [img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img] The Ice dungeon really is a bit like that movie. Everything is full of traps, you don't know what kind of dangers awaits in the next room and everything is blue (walls, floor etc.). Anyway, it's one of my favorite areas in the game. __________________ [url]\"http://imageshack.us\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9278/sig6fk.png\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

04-24-2003, 02:03 AM	#11
Lemmy Manshoon Join Date: October 20, 2002 Location: Montgomery, AL Age: 40 Posts: 157	This included, a heavy reputation penalty, and of course... Given that he's an "innocent," of course he has a reputation penalty. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Equally however, they DID script him to drop one of the best items in the game, and allowed for 26,ooo experience points to be allocated to his conquerers. He's Chaotic Good but drops a Robe of Neutral Arch-Magi. What kind of weird treasure is that? Did somebody fall asleep assigning items to this guy? Or maybe he was just doing laundry for Radagast the Brown. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I don't care if you kill him; it's not about that. I just think his stats are so heavily unnatural it seems he's not, strictly speaking, set up as a "real" opponent - just some bizarre guy that takes special tactics to murder. Such beings are very bleh, IMO. Equal opportunity murder, I say! I based my assumption of, "not being able to beat the game by soloing a single-classed mage". . . Now when I stop and think about the possible solutions that could be applied to these aforementioned obstacles, the undertaking of such a task still seems to be ridiculously difficult and time-consuming. Well, for me, soloing a little mage took a lot of patience because most early combat depended on run'n'gun sling battles. It goes a lot faster once the mage can cast a decent number of spells per day and has a good arsenal to choose from. Invisibility and Mirror Image are highly (ab)useful, too. -Lem

04-27-2003, 03:46 PM	#18
IronThroneLoyalist Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: April 9, 2003 Location: Undisclosed Location Age: 44 Posts: 29	Thanks for the warm welcome guys. I have to admit, I been coming to this forum for a couple of years now, but have only just had the urge to post messages. __________________ The Iron Throne SHALL return!

05-06-2003, 03:00 PM	#19
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 37 Posts: 2,323	Ok, now im annoyed. Who is Shandalar? I just read about him the other day, and seem to remember him to be a "celebertie" of the Forgotten Realms. __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

05-07-2003, 03:09 AM	#20
Flaming Fist Enforcer Drow Warrior Join Date: January 25, 2003 Location: Croatia Age: 38 Posts: 261	He's a mage in Ulgoth's Beard (TotSC area). He has a quest for you and if you accept he teleports you to a cool place. I won't say more so that I don't spoil anyone. __________________ [url]\"http://imageshack.us\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9278/sig6fk.png\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

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