Being evil is hard

Melle · 05-21-2002, 09:17 AM

Playing a chaotic evil character (doesn't require any roleplaying, just being myself

I coined a new term: Exp Whore. I found myself frequently helping pathetic morons with nothing to offer me except possibly rep *chokes* and EXP. But being chaotic evil and as such utterly self-serving I grabbed all the exp I could. From the outside, where exp is everything, time is a number in the bottom left of the screen and pain is nothing but a red-toned portrait, this is standard selfish behaivior. And not being as nasty to everyone as you _should be_ is just giving up "principles" for profit, the definition of CE. But seen from within the game, there's really not that much difference between me and Mr Nice-guy. Sad, really.

Cecil · 05-21-2002, 10:10 AM

I've found myself with the same thoughts as of late on my evil game.

I want the experience and benefits of doing these quests - but it's appalling how much hiney I have to kiss.

SixOfSpades · 05-23-2002, 08:21 PM

When I was doing my Evil game, I consoled myself with the thought of taking these poor souls under my wing, helping them through their difficulties--and then smashing their skulls with my Warhammer as soon as they turned their back. You can actually betray a few people (such as Garren Windspear) like this. Of course, I was roleplaying Neutral Evil, which gives a lot more leeway than Chaotic, but it tickled me, running around doing so much Evil stuff, but fooling the entire nation of Amn into granting me a good Reputation. Those gibbering simpletons......

Blatant self-serving advertising here--
For my Evil party in BG1, do a Thread Title search for: I'm a Naughty Boy!
For my Evil party in BG2, do a search for: I'm STILL a Naughty Boy!

The other folks on the forum seemed to like them

Dragon Knight Kain · 05-23-2002, 08:35 PM

actuly in my game every one kissed my ass because I am so strong and I killed suvilians to keep the fear up I guise I just make good evil people and I am alind with the cale wizards premium hearts don't ask me how that happend long story I am the new leader of the vampiers and the insain people wershop me It is very strange but I like it.

masteraleph · 05-23-2002, 08:42 PM

Actually, if you're evil, there is finally a benefit if you have the Ascension mod installed...let's just say that you get some extra help in the final battle, and it's pretty powerful help, too.

Melle · 05-24-2002, 05:36 AM

SixOfSpades, that's some awesome work!
It's not just evil, it's evil with imagination, and while I consider myself to have some imagination, I never thought of the brutal actions not endorsed by the game engine (well, nymph cloak+cursed scroll of summoning did work a treat in BG1)
I'm tempted to replay (again) the game and try to outthink you in pure malevolent nastiness...not that I think I'll succeed...
Can't wait to read the ToB bit.

BTW, what is this about betrayals in windspear hills? I only ever played that one straight, I'm sorry to say.

SixOfSpades · 05-24-2002, 09:20 PM

Actually, there won't be a ToB Naughty Boy post, as the plot for ToB is so damn linear, there's really no options to express your Evilness at all. I suppose I could write up a post that says, "I killed every civilian in Saradush and Amkethran, and am now wearing Malla's Soul Stone," and that'd be it. Whoop dee doo. I suppose I could think up some more nasty death scenes for the few SoA NPCs who aren't technically dead: The Fate statues can bring back Jan, Cernd and a few others. But even so, there's just not enough freedom of expression to justify another Naughty Boy thread.

As for the Windspear Hills: There's a nice little Evil sub-quest in there, which I think is available if your PC is Neutral, too, but I know it's there if you're Evil. No, I'm not going to spoil you. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe · 05-25-2002, 04:32 PM

Well if you want to be really evil you could kill the people after you help them

thats how I usually do it. You are all right though, the game just really wasn't made with evil characters in mind. I definitely think its unfortunate, condisering being evil is sooooo much fun. I mean what beats summoning a demon to kill all the commoners in a town square. Or killing a random begger, just for being there. Maybe I am a little off, but I find it vastly entertaining.

Melle · 05-27-2002, 07:27 AM

Well then, I'll just wait for "Naughty Boy in BG3"
The story seems to be just about used up, however. And we ran out of exp. levels quite a while back. Do you play any other AD&D games?

Human · 05-28-2002, 08:43 PM

My main character is Evil (only because I went the evil way at the end of SoA) My Rep is 20, but all my NCM's in my party are Good and they love it. I couldn't just kill people, other wise my party would just leave me, and besides I'm getting to like that annoying little speech from Minsc chatting about Boo.

05-21-2002, 09:17 AM	#1
Melle Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 13, 2002 Location: Sweden Age: 41 Posts: 19	Playing a chaotic evil character (doesn't require any roleplaying, just being myself I coined a new term: Exp Whore. I found myself frequently helping pathetic morons with nothing to offer me except possibly rep chokes and EXP. But being chaotic evil and as such utterly self-serving I grabbed all the exp I could. From the outside, where exp is everything, time is a number in the bottom left of the screen and pain is nothing but a red-toned portrait, this is standard selfish behaivior. And not being as nasty to everyone as you _should be_ is just giving up "principles" for profit, the definition of CE. But seen from within the game, there's really not that much difference between me and Mr Nice-guy. Sad, really. __________________ Chaotic Evil<br /><br />Junior member of the anti-Anomen Society. At least Edwin knows how to be arrogant with style.

05-23-2002, 08:21 PM	#3
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	When I was doing my Evil game, I consoled myself with the thought of taking these poor souls under my wing, helping them through their difficulties--and then smashing their skulls with my Warhammer as soon as they turned their back. You can actually betray a few people (such as Garren Windspear) like this. Of course, I was roleplaying Neutral Evil, which gives a lot more leeway than Chaotic, but it tickled me, running around doing so much Evil stuff, but fooling the entire nation of Amn into granting me a good Reputation. Those gibbering simpletons...... Blatant self-serving advertising here-- For my Evil party in BG1, do a Thread Title search for: I'm a Naughty Boy! For my Evil party in BG2, do a search for: I'm STILL a Naughty Boy! The other folks on the forum seemed to like them __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

05-23-2002, 08:35 PM	#4
Dragon Knight Kain Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: U.S. (Ohio) Posts: 27	actuly in my game every one kissed my ass because I am so strong and I killed suvilians to keep the fear up I guise I just make good evil people and I am alind with the cale wizards premium hearts don't ask me how that happend long story I am the new leader of the vampiers and the insain people wershop me It is very strange but I like it. __________________ I will ruel the world

05-24-2002, 05:36 AM	#6
Melle Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 13, 2002 Location: Sweden Age: 41 Posts: 19	SixOfSpades, that's some awesome work! It's not just evil, it's evil with imagination, and while I consider myself to have some imagination, I never thought of the brutal actions not endorsed by the game engine (well, nymph cloak+cursed scroll of summoning did work a treat in BG1) I'm tempted to replay (again) the game and try to outthink you in pure malevolent nastiness...not that I think I'll succeed... Can't wait to read the ToB bit. BTW, what is this about betrayals in windspear hills? I only ever played that one straight, I'm sorry to say. __________________ Chaotic Evil<br /><br />Junior member of the anti-Anomen Society. At least Edwin knows how to be arrogant with style.

05-24-2002, 09:20 PM	#7
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	Actually, there won't be a ToB Naughty Boy post, as the plot for ToB is so damn linear, there's really no options to express your Evilness at all. I suppose I could write up a post that says, "I killed every civilian in Saradush and Amkethran, and am now wearing Malla's Soul Stone," and that'd be it. Whoop dee doo. I suppose I could think up some more nasty death scenes for the few SoA NPCs who aren't technically dead: The Fate statues can bring back Jan, Cernd and a few others. But even so, there's just not enough freedom of expression to justify another Naughty Boy thread. As for the Windspear Hills: There's a nice little Evil sub-quest in there, which I think is available if your PC is Neutral, too, but I know it's there if you're Evil. No, I'm not going to spoil you. [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

05-21-2002, 10:10 AM	#2
Cecil Dungeon Master Join Date: May 10, 2002 Location: The Southlands! Age: 48 Posts: 70	I've found myself with the same thoughts as of late on my evil game. I want the experience and benefits of doing these quests - but it's appalling how much hiney I have to kiss.

05-23-2002, 08:42 PM	#5
masteraleph Elminster Join Date: March 1, 2001 Posts: 400	Actually, if you're evil, there is finally a benefit if you have the Ascension mod installed...let's just say that you get some extra help in the final battle, and it's pretty powerful help, too.

05-25-2002, 04:32 PM	#8
AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe Hathor Join Date: October 11, 2001 Location: At My Computer Age: 44 Posts: 2,217	Well if you want to be really evil you could kill the people after you help them thats how I usually do it. You are all right though, the game just really wasn't made with evil characters in mind. I definitely think its unfortunate, condisering being evil is sooooo much fun. I mean what beats summoning a demon to kill all the commoners in a town square. Or killing a random begger, just for being there. Maybe I am a little off, but I find it vastly entertaining. __________________ Now the swinging bridge<br />Is quieted with creepers. . . <br />Like our tendrilled life. -Basho

05-27-2002, 07:27 AM	#9
Melle Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 13, 2002 Location: Sweden Age: 41 Posts: 19	Well then, I'll just wait for "Naughty Boy in BG3" The story seems to be just about used up, however. And we ran out of exp. levels quite a while back. Do you play any other AD&D games? __________________ Chaotic Evil<br /><br />Junior member of the anti-Anomen Society. At least Edwin knows how to be arrogant with style.

05-28-2002, 08:43 PM	#10
Human Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 21, 2002 Location: Australia Age: 55 Posts: 7	My main character is Evil (only because I went the evil way at the end of SoA) My Rep is 20, but all my NCM's in my party are Good and they love it. I couldn't just kill people, other wise my party would just leave me, and besides I'm getting to like that annoying little speech from Minsc chatting about Boo. __________________ <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[barbarian]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/barbarian.gif\" /> <br />\"The best character in Diablo II\"

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