Most powerful class - a minor rethink - Page 2

timothy trotter · 05-03-2006, 10:40 AM

what about a dwarven cleric, or do you mean arcane spell casters.
btw, im not trying to nit pick here, im just curious

Klorox · 05-03-2006, 12:25 PM

I remember offhand that Clerics and Mages have different saving throws, but (except for poison) I'm pretty sure they're both better than Fighters and Rogues.

SixOfSpades · 05-03-2006, 10:07 PM

Over time, the initial bonuses that Wizards and Rogues have to Save vs. Spells, and that Priests have to Save vs. Death, are overpowered by the way that Warriors simply get bonuses to all their Saves so dang fast. I'll do some number-crunching tonight.

Kyrvias · 05-04-2006, 12:12 AM

As a technicality, it doesn't really matter in the end, but I'll let Six do his crunching

Morgeruat · 05-04-2006, 12:26 AM

A dwarven cleric starts with a save vs death/poison/paralysis of 10 (a save vs poison of 5 with an 18 CON) making that the best anti-poison save that isn't a kit given immunity in addition to pretty hefty saves vs spells, I'd put my money on a dwarven cleric overpowering other race/classes in most saves.

thetruth · 05-04-2006, 12:42 AM

I am quite sure that the Fighter-class has the best overall saving throws in the game (as SixofSpades has already said).
Although I am not sure about Monk and Barbarian.
As for the race, halflings and dwarves have the best bonuses (with high CON).

Dundee Slaytern · 05-04-2006, 01:52 AM

Too bad Dwarves can't be Paladins.

Klorox · 05-04-2006, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Andraste:
This being said, my opinion has always been that the sorcerer (god of magic) has the edge on all other classes, until somewhere in TOB, when the HLAs kick in and the mage/cleric (god of cheese) eases ahead.

Just curious: What makes the C/M (or C/I) the most powerful character, in your opinion?

Cascade · 05-04-2006, 10:48 AM

Time Stop. Harm. Thwok.

Morgeruat · 05-04-2006, 10:55 AM

A huge selection of spells, the ability to do things like chain contingency 2 ADHW and a heal spell to go off when you reach a certain damage level, spell sequencers with clerical spells like doom on top of greater malison to strip down defenses (or magic resistance + lower resistance to negate the MR of high MR foes) Having the Robe of Vecna or other casting time reducing items stack for both types of spellcasting, etc etc.

05-03-2006, 10:40 AM	#11
timothy trotter Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: December 29, 2004 Location: south australia Age: 43 Posts: 603	what about a dwarven cleric, or do you mean arcane spell casters. btw, im not trying to nit pick here, im just curious __________________ Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!<br />You will stay in the comfy chair until lunchtime, with only a cup of coffee at 11!

05-03-2006, 12:25 PM	#12
Klorox Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 21, 2004 Location: USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,168	I remember offhand that Clerics and Mages have different saving throws, but (except for poison) I'm pretty sure they're both better than Fighters and Rogues. __________________ Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-mênu! "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-- Edmund Burke

05-03-2006, 10:07 PM	#13
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	Over time, the initial bonuses that Wizards and Rogues have to Save vs. Spells, and that Priests have to Save vs. Death, are overpowered by the way that Warriors simply get bonuses to all their Saves so dang fast. I'll do some number-crunching tonight. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

05-04-2006, 12:26 AM	#15
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 44 Posts: 5,421	A dwarven cleric starts with a save vs death/poison/paralysis of 10 (a save vs poison of 5 with an 18 CON) making that the best anti-poison save that isn't a kit given immunity in addition to pretty hefty saves vs spells, I'd put my money on a dwarven cleric overpowering other race/classes in most saves. __________________ "Any attempt to cheat, especially with my wife, who is a dirty, dirty, tramp, and I am just gonna snap." Knibb High Principal - Billy Madison

05-04-2006, 10:55 AM	#20
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 44 Posts: 5,421	A huge selection of spells, the ability to do things like chain contingency 2 ADHW and a heal spell to go off when you reach a certain damage level, spell sequencers with clerical spells like doom on top of greater malison to strip down defenses (or magic resistance + lower resistance to negate the MR of high MR foes) Having the Robe of Vecna or other casting time reducing items stack for both types of spellcasting, etc etc. __________________ "Any attempt to cheat, especially with my wife, who is a dirty, dirty, tramp, and I am just gonna snap." Knibb High Principal - Billy Madison

05-04-2006, 12:12 AM	#14
Kyrvias Lord Ao Join Date: May 15, 2005 Posts: 2,092	As a technicality, it doesn't really matter in the end, but I'll let Six do his crunching

05-04-2006, 12:42 AM	#16
thetruth Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: June 11, 2005 Location: Greece Age: 44 Posts: 38	I am quite sure that the Fighter-class has the best overall saving throws in the game (as SixofSpades has already said). Although I am not sure about Monk and Barbarian. As for the race, halflings and dwarves have the best bonuses (with high CON).

05-04-2006, 01:52 AM	#17
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	Too bad Dwarves can't be Paladins.

05-04-2006, 10:48 AM	#19
Cascade Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: February 23, 2006 Location: UK Age: 43 Posts: 36	Time Stop. Harm. Thwok.

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