What is the strongest character?

[Dace De'Briago]

Originally posted by Xen: quote: Originally posted by Dace De'Briago: quote: Originally posted by Leslie: With TOB installed I vote for fighter/mage multiclass. Can protect and attack. Can combine Time stop and many auto hits + other almost cheesy combos.

Why Fighter/Mage multiclass when you can have Kensai/Mage dual class? [/QUOTE]To quote Leslie: F/M Multi-Class eats Kensai->Mage Dual-Class for breakfast. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Why? It is MC so you get HLA`s from both world. And you don`t have to wait for an eternity to re-activate like when you are DCing. [/QUOTE]Actually, level 21 Kensai/Level 22 Mage is optimum.

We get several Fighter HLAs and several Mage HLAs. More hitpoints. Kensai to hit/damage bonuses.

Granted, we do have to wait for the mage class to activate, but it FLIES by in the later stages of the game... plus we have LOOOOOOOOOOOAAADS of hitpoints to play with [img]smile.gif[/img]

Kensai/Mage over the dual class every time.

[Userunfriendly]

kensai mage..i also agree...but not dualing so high...

i mean tensor's transformation will make a 12th level dual hit much harder than its level of kensai...

the crucial abilites are grandmastery, and the fast level progression...

[Feral]

Of the less conventional options - I think that a ranger/cleric is very powerful. A fighter who can hide in shadows and cast divine spells.

Before people jump all over me - I know that DeMolay asked about "the strongest", but the debate is more or less the same every time this issue comes up so I thought I'd add my 2 pesos.

[Dundee Slaytern]

The one you love the most.

[Userunfriendly]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: The one you love the most.

dundee is right...

i love sorcerors...i love sorcerors...because i love them so, i've spent outrageous amounts of time learning spells, designing and redesigning perfect spell tables, and i even wrote the cheese guide mostly for sorcerors...

right now, i am taking an assassin mage thru the game, doing advanced beta testing...and i keep thinking, i miss my sorceror...i miss my sorceror...

i know all the tricks i've developed for a sorceror, and all the fun things a sorceror can do, so even tho i know how to get good effect out of an assassin mage, i won't be as effective as i would be playing a sorceror...i know how to squeeze out the best spells, best summons, best spell tables for my style of play...

so i am much more dangerous and effective playing a sorceror against someone who normally plays paladins, and is playing a sorceror..

on the other hand, i would have my head handed to me playing paladin against a person who normally plays a paladin...

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar: A level 30 Cavalier versus a level 30 sorc, though... The Cavalier might be able to cut up the sorc, if the Cavalier gets close enough, and the sorc doesn't have Protection from Magical Weapons cast. However, let's play this out. Give the Cavalier Carsomyr, and give the sorc the Robe of Vecna. Cavalier- Attacks Sorceror Sorceror- Casts Improved Alacrity Sorceror- Casts Flame Arrow Sorceror- Does (damage) to Cavalier Sorceror- Casts Flame Arrow Cavalier- Magic Resistance Sorceror- Casts Magic Missile Sorceror- Does (damage) to Cavalier Sorceror- Casts Power Word: Kill Cavalier- Magic Resistance Cavalier- Chops Sorceror into tiny Sorceror shaped chunks

you forget the 50% magic resistance given by carsomyr, see the above edits.

even if it blocks two of the damage spells instead of the power word kill, he would still have enough hit points to beat the power word.

[Userunfriendly]

sorceror: casts g acuity
sorceror: casts sunfire
chavalier: wounded.
sorceror: casts dragon breath

cleaning staff takes weeks cleaning up little chavalier bits strewn across to the next county...

sunfire, dragon breath, teleportation field ignores magic resistance... [img]smile.gif[/img]

[drew_jarvie]

Anyways, who cares about MR? 3 Lower resistances in spell trigger and chain contingency pretty much covers it i think [img]smile.gif[/img] and these two spells take 0 casting time and so the cavalier is in trouble [img]smile.gif[/img]

So how is the cavalier going to see the mage while he has spell immunity: divination and staff of the magi? [img]smile.gif[/img]

[SixOfSpades]

While I'm not disputing the fact that Wizards are the hands-down asskickers of BG2, you guys are selling the other classes rather short.

Cavalier with 95% MR (Carsomyr, Amulet, Gaxx, Cloak) vs. Sorcerer

I'm assuming SoA here--no Hell Trials, no 9th-level spells, because as soon as the Sorcerer has access to Time Stop and Shapechange, debate becomes rather pointless.

The Sorcerer has to open the battle with SI:Abj, because otherwise his PfMW will probably fall to a Dispel Magic from Carsomyr or the Cavalier himself. He can be comfortably protected by the SotM while he does this. During this round, the Cavalier is probably casting Animate Dead or something.

Now the Sorcerer can put up PfMW, and start casting Lower MR. At -27% per round, three castings of it will bring the Cavalier down to 11%. Unless, of course, he's equipped himself like any thinking person would have done, and simply slapped 5 Potions of Invisibility in his Quickslot. Ooops! Wasted spell! And even if you used your Spell Trigger for them, all you've done is lower the MR of an enemy you can't see anymore. Even casting True Sight won't be much help: You still can't see him if he had the brains to simply leave your sight range. And even with his MR gone, you've still got his Saving Throws and Resistances to deal with.

So don't underestimate the other classes; assuming they'll just stand there and let you shoot them is completely nonsensical. True, the Sorcerer can always get away (when the Sorcerer comes back after your buffs have worn off), since the SotM's invisibility will not fall to Dispel Magic. But still, all the Cavalier lost in this battle is a single Potion of Invisibility (unless you count the Animate Dead).

[Userunfriendly]

however, with sunfire, you only need to know approximately where they are...

spell trigger sunfire, sunfire, sunfire

spell sequencer mirror image, stoneskin, teleportation field...

(the sequencer is if the chavalier is immune to fire)

the sunfire has a good chance of blasting the chavalier...

if the chavalier is smart and is immune to fire, start summoning skeleton warriors...they can see invisible, and if the chavalier starts turning undead, use true sight while he is busy turning undead...then use project image, and start summoning both mordenkainen swords and skeleton warriors...if he quaffs a potion, the skeleton warrior will target him for the mordenkainen swords, if he turns undead, the swords will disrupt him...and he doesn't have deathspell...