Does he lie?

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Felix The Assassin In order to gain enlightenment in politics, one must see it and accept it from both sides. For every article written from the right perspective, there is one from the left. Therein lies the truth of politics, an issue that is clearly defined becomes shrouded in rhetoric, and only the fools become fooled by their chosen talking heads. Without investigative and counter articles, one either accepts or denies the issue, and there have been way too many issues of late to just deny.

The fault in your plan is that by examining the biased left and biased right articles you are not actually getting the complete picture, but the picture the right and left providers want you to see.

In politics as well as news, bias info is inherently faulty, at risk to imperfect human motives, and should be screened as such and clearly marked as such.

[Chewbacca]

The real reason the article author sucks is belief that healthcare should be provided differently based on immigration status. Behind the bias lies a faulty premise, a lie at odds with the truths compassion and mercy.

[Timber Loftis]

OK, there's a lot that's been said in this thread, and I shan't address it all.

I will say that Obama could be working with the majorities in Congress to ram stuff down the throats of the Repugs -- which is what the author appears to want. But, neither the author nor most right wing pundits understand the man. He's a Con Law professor, so he's used to waiting... and waiting... to hear the arguments and address things in due time. In our current 24/7 news heyday that flummoxes people. But, I don't believe it phases him much.

For me, this is a good thing. A leader who lets stuff play out and then comes in at the 11th hour is fine by me. I understand where he's coming from.

As for Chewie's notion that immigration status doesn't matter, I do disagree. But I offer the following comment that I posted on Oasis regarding Obama's health care reform stance:

[Obama] said affirmatively that no one here illegally would or should get [health care]. He didn't say amnesty either, he said that we should tackle the problem of comprehensive immigration reform. And just like with health care, he's right. It's a broken system and something needs to be done. Now, as a practical matter, whenever immigration reform does occur it will have to address how we deal with those who are already here illegally. And as much as we may hate it, as a practical matter it is not even possible to go round up all the illegals that are currently here. It just won't happen. So, whenever we do address the illegal immigrant problem, this is going to be one painful pill we'll all have to swallow. I don't like it either, but if other key components of good immigration reform are there, some sort of "path to citizenship" plan may be a price worth paying to fix the mess.

[Chewbacca]

Are we really discussing not giving aid to a sick or injured person based on immigration status? If John the illegal yard mower cuts off his thumb we're just going to let him bleed? Are we going to deny pre-natal care to Mary the illegal pregnent maid as well? Are we going to turn our doctors and nurses into immigration enforcers? This is audacious!

Those illegal people do get treatment here everyday and it won't stop. Somebody pays and that somebody is everybody. That won't change either.

If we are making payment coverage plan, we might as well include everyone who is going to have a charge. Moral perogatives aside, it simply makes sense to have a plan that is prepared for what is actually going to happen, rather than pipedream notions of how things should be.

Also, This whole "did he lie/ should illegals be covered issue" is a big artifical wedge issue push forth by the GOP. Who's motives are to create failure for their oppenents , not solve our complicated and serious problems.